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My feeling is the 373 Max.........is a cursed plane likely due to rush into production and trade off's.  I don't think the 373 had/has a bad track record, and I believe there are large quantities of them.

Boeing has had some mishaps, which cost lives.  They need better managers.

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In the mid-1990s, IATA projections foresaw rapid global growth in air traffic, predicting an average of one major crash per week in the 2020s. Fortunately, this grim prediction did not materialize. The industry achieved improved safety targets by enhancing aircraft procedures, incorporating computers and automation at every level (referred to today as AI), and upgrading pilot training.

During the early 1990s,the cursed plane was the A320, the new glass cockpit mid range liner. The new approach to airliner production resulted in two crashes (aside from an A310 accident). Despite teeting issues, the glass cockpit generation allowed a sustained growth in airline traffic reducing major problems in the industry. The 737 Max initially appeared to surpass the now-classic glass cockpit automations. However, the inability of pilots to keep up with the aircraft's decisions raised concerns, leading to the B737 Max crashes attributed to AI until the problem was seemingly resolved.

This latest issue appears unrelated to previous troubles, resembling an old mechanical problem (though not acceptable at this level) in the fuselage. The media and authorities overlooked highlighting the commendable decision made by the female captain, successfully returning the aircraft and all 100% of passengers and crew members safely to the ground

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There was a snake loose in the cabin on a flight from Bangkok to Phuket.

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1 minute ago, Woodie said:

I have seen a few snakes loose in a lb bar. I don't know which are more dangerous?.

Anacondas? That reminds me of one night in La Bamba and Nancy was still available. Biggest snake I ever seen :)

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8 hours ago, Pdoggg said:

There was a snake loose in the cabin on a flight from Bangkok to Phuket.

 

The dude handle that very commonly and smartly............but how in the HELL.......do you get a snake on a plane,,,,,,,this only happens in movies........

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A Canadian passenger reportedly experienced a panic attack while a plane was taking off from Chiang Mai International Airport last night and attempted to open the plane door, causing chaos and a delay at the airport. The situation was brought under control at around 11pm.

Facebook account Watcharapon Pethsurp posted about the incident at about 9.57pm yesterday, February 7. The post included a picture of the 40 year old Canadian national, Wong Sai Heung, standing on the plane.

“The plane was about to take off but this passenger had a panic attack and tried to open the door. When will I arrive in Bangkok?”

The problem occurred on the TG121 Chiang Mai-Bangkok Thai Airways flight. The flight was originally scheduled to depart from Chiang Mai International Airport at 9.05pm and arrived at Suvarnabhumi International Airport about one hour later.


MGR reported that the Wong left his seat, approached one of the flight attendants, and pushed her towards the plane door. He demanded that the flight attendant open the plane door, forcing the pilot to make an emergency stop on the runway.

The plane eventually returned to its parking spot, and police officers arrived to apprehend the panicked foreign man for further legal action. Other passengers, mainly foreigners, were escorted to a hotel near the airport, where they waited for their rescheduled flight to Bangkok.

Thai Airways later made an official announcement that the plane was thoroughly checked to ensure passengers’ safety. The flight successfully operated to Suvarnabhumi Airport at 12.34am, today, February 8. The airline confirmed that all passengers and cabin crew were safe.

The issue also affected the schedule of other flights departing and landing at Chiang Mai Airport. MGR Online reported that the KE677 Incheon-Chiang Mai flight of Korean Air had to land at Suvarnabhumi Airport instead, and the 7C4257 Busan-Chiang Mai flight had to land at Wattay International Airport in Laos.

The situation was eventually brought under control, allowing the planes to land again around 11pm.
Chiang Mai Airport, Thai Airways, and the police have not yet revealed the punishment against the panic-stricken Wong. According to the Act on Certain Offenses Against Air Navigation, the foreigner may face three charges including:

Section 7: violating or failing to comply with orders to maintain rules and neatness in the airport. The penalty will be imprisonment of up to one year, a fine of up to 40,000 baht or both.
Section 13: frightening cabin crew by threatening or doing any actions. The penalty will be imprisonment of up to seven years, a fine of up to 280,000 baht, or both.
Section 17: taking control of an aircraft by using force or threatening to harm the aircraft. The penalty will be death punishment, life imprisonment, or imprisonment from 10 to 20 years.
In addition to legal consequences, the foreign man may be required to pay compensation to Thai Airways for the loss.

https://thethaiger.com/news/national/panicked-foreign-passenger-tries-to-open-plane-door-on-departure-from-chiang-mai

 

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Boeing said on Wednesday that it was shaking up the leadership in its commercial airplanes unit after a harrowing incident last month during which a piece fell off a 737 Max 9 jet in flight.

Ed Clark, the head of Boeing’s 737 Max program, which includes the Max 9, is leaving immediately, Stan Deal, the chief executive of the commercial airplanes unit, said in a memo to employees. Boeing, which also announced other leadership changes, has been under pressure from regulators, airlines and members of Congress to prove that it is committed to making safe planes.

Boeing announced in recent weeks that it was overhauling its quality control process, including increased inspections at the factory in Renton, Wash., where Mr. Clark oversaw Max production. The leadership changes are the company’s most prominent attempt to show it is holding itself accountable for the Jan. 5 incident that left a fuselage hole in an Alaska Airlines plane.

Mr. Clark took over the Max program in 2021 as the company was accelerating production of the plane, which had been banned from flight worldwide for 20 months after two fatal crashes in which 346 people were killed. Those crashes cost Boeing billions of dollars, deeply damaged its image and attracted far more scrutiny of the company from regulators worldwide.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/21/business/boeing-max9-renton.html

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Boeing said on Wednesday that it was shaking up the leadership in its commercial airplanes unit after a harrowing incident last month during which a piece fell off a 737 Max 9 jet in flight.

Ed Clark, the head of Boeing’s 737 Max program, which includes the Max 9, is leaving immediately, Stan Deal, the chief executive of the commercial airplanes unit, said in a memo to employees. Boeing, which also announced other leadership changes, has been under pressure from regulators, airlines and members of Congress to prove that it is committed to making safe planes.

Boeing announced in recent weeks that it was overhauling its quality control process, including increased inspections at the factory in Renton, Wash., where Mr. Clark oversaw Max production. The leadership changes are the company’s most prominent attempt to show it is holding itself accountable for the Jan. 5 incident that left a fuselage hole in an Alaska Airlines plane.

Mr. Clark took over the Max program in 2021 as the company was accelerating production of the plane, which had been banned from flight worldwide for 20 months after two fatal crashes in which 346 people were killed. Those crashes cost Boeing billions of dollars, deeply damaged its image and attracted far more scrutiny of the company from regulators worldwide.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/21/business/boeing-max9-renton.html

And this after a pilot in the US a few years ago, said he would not fly an Airbus plane as he did not trust all the computerised thingy's

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8 hours ago, Pdoggg said:

Boeing said on Wednesday that it was shaking up the leadership in its commercial airplanes unit after a harrowing incident last month during which a piece fell off a 737 Max 9 jet in flight.

Ed Clark, the head of Boeing’s 737 Max program, which includes the Max 9, is leaving immediately, Stan Deal, the chief executive of the commercial airplanes unit, said in a memo to employees. Boeing, which also announced other leadership changes, has been under pressure from regulators, airlines and members of Congress to prove that it is committed to making safe planes.

Boeing announced in recent weeks that it was overhauling its quality control process, including increased inspections at the factory in Renton, Wash., where Mr. Clark oversaw Max production. The leadership changes are the company’s most prominent attempt to show it is holding itself accountable for the Jan. 5 incident that left a fuselage hole in an Alaska Airlines plane.

Mr. Clark took over the Max program in 2021 as the company was accelerating production of the plane, which had been banned from flight worldwide for 20 months after two fatal crashes in which 346 people were killed. Those crashes cost Boeing billions of dollars, deeply damaged its image and attracted far more scrutiny of the company from regulators worldwide.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/21/business/boeing-max9-renton.html

As is in most cases, someone has to be the fall guy........have no idea if Clark was culprit or not.....but heads will roll.  I wonder if any BM's were fired...I doubt it.  They have buffers.  When people lose their morale compass they bend to the wishes of greed.  I'm sure Boeing will put up signs about accountability and quality and speak up for safety slogans......yeah right.  Anyhow, nice report Pdoggg, and I hope they get things right and then stay there.

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One dead and thirty injured in an emergency landing at Swampy.  The London to Singapore flight hit severe turbulence over the Andaman Sea causing problems which forced the landing.  The southwest monsoon is said to also be a factor in the Iran helicopter cash.  It's been quite rainy in Pattaya.  I suppose the weather is much worse in Phuket.

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6 hours ago, Pdoggg said:

One dead and thirty injured in an emergency landing at Swampy.  The London to Singapore flight hit severe turbulence over the Andaman Sea causing problems which forced the landing.  The southwest monsoon is said to also be a factor in the Iran helicopter cash.  It's been quite rainy in Pattaya.  I suppose the weather is much worse in Phuket.

Sky News here showed a news item re the Singapore Airlines flight. We got the full treatment. The reporter was obviously from Sky News GB going by the accent and the gloom and doom reporting. It showed some rubbish in the aisles and some oxygen masks hanging down. If you have ever noticed the rubbish in the aisles after a "normal" flight, it did not look much different!. How people can be that grubby I do not know.

It turns out the guy who died had a heart attack and was 73 years old. God imagine being that age!

What I find disturbing about reports like that is the commercial damage they can do. I would say there is nothing the airline could have done. Wind sheer can happen at anytime. I was involved in one when coming into land, our plane dropped like a stone from about 30 feet on to the tarmac. Everything bounced including the passengers!.

I can guarantee that there are people who will see that news item and declare they will not fly on Singapore Air.

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On 5/22/2024 at 6:30 AM, Woodie said:

Sky News here showed a news item re the Singapore Airlines flight. We got the full treatment. The reporter was obviously from Sky News GB going by the accent and the gloom and doom reporting. It showed some rubbish in the aisles and some oxygen masks hanging down. If you have ever noticed the rubbish in the aisles after a "normal" flight, it did not look much different!. How people can be that grubby I do not know.

It turns out the guy who died had a heart attack and was 73 years old. God imagine being that age!

What I find disturbing about reports like that is the commercial damage they can do. I would say there is nothing the airline could have done. Wind sheer can happen at anytime. I was involved in one when coming into land, our plane dropped like a stone from about 30 feet on to the tarmac. Everything bounced including the passengers!.

I can guarantee that there are people who will see that news item and declare they will not fly on Singapore Air.

I am 70 you bum :P  I travel in and haul around a big 50 lb rolling suitcase, with a 15+ backpack on and a small tech bag big enough to do 3 or more day trips. Next time I'll probably deal with TWO 23 kilo suitcases as I have acquired a Khmer gf/wife as well at the Thai one and they do like lil treats. I also need to pack provisions. She's in the boonies south east of PP with fuck all for stores around.

as to people over reacting to bombastic reporting? fuck em if they can't take a joke. Let em stay home.

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