Margaret Thatcher RIP

[azza33]

+1 to dazed, not because i agree or disagree, but for a well expressed opinion.

[Tomcat]

-  She supported some of the very worst Dictatorships and State Terrorists of recent times: both publicly (Pinochet and Chile and the Apartheid Regime) 

 

And so did most of the Western World.  Under Maos watch around 40 million perished .. now that is bad

 

Even if she had not lived it would be no different...global economy and all that..Factories in China that pay a dollar a day , The end of fossil fuels as a long term option..The European Union overegulation leading un employment

 

You guys have the blinkers on

[williethepimp]

Great post dazed......and you didnt even mention the sinking of the Belgrano or the acceleration of the N.I.conflict.....by the way Tomcat...wtf has Mao got to do with anything...? One of Maggie's best friends was Pinochet FFS.......My father was a miner,one of "the enemy withi(even tho' a WW2 veteran) I remember those days very well.....pity she wasn't sat in the bath the bomb in Brighton was under!

[KenW]

+1 to dazed, not because i agree or disagree, but for a well expressed opinion.

 

Opinion? Opinion? Opinion?

 

Those my friend are called FACTS.

[KenW]

You guys have the blinkers on

 

Sorry but that's just a cheap shot of the worst kind.

 

Disagree with me and you guys have the blinkers on. Fuck me. That's is so pathetic Tomcat, sorry. I thought you were better than that.

 

But I know what it is: you cliche peddlers are lost for facts. Check out dazed's list of facts; but then one thing we all know is no bit of evidence never spolied a good wellsprung ideology driven theory, eh. 

[KenW]

Sorry to hear your feelings about Maggie Ken but Hang on a minute..You are talking about Australia .. what has that to do with Thatcher. Are you really serious about wanting us to believe she was responsible for what happened there...

 

You cant blame her for PM Howards modus operandi

 

I wish i could blame someone for some of the Socialist rules that have been imposed on Business by the EU.

Employing people is a nightmare here there are so many rules to oblige the employee its not worth it

 

All we do is export the jobs and problems to good old Commie China.. the workers paradise

 

I cannot understand why you people insist on tossing out tired wearisome cliches; perhaps reason and facts are beyond you.

 

Now hear this:

 

I am not a lefty;

once was, that's true, as a youngster;

after - no way;

as Shaw said: anyone who's not a commie at 20 has no heart; anyone who's not a capitalist at 30 has no brains;

enough said;

Call me moderate centre if you must pigeon hole;

I have no sympathy at all with Europe's communist experiment;

Not China's;

Nor Vietnam's;

I have never written a post (nor ever will) extolling their virtues;

I was once an academic - with what cliche peddlers like azza prefer to see as not real jobs;

[what is a real job azza? by the way - pray tell]

why o why when we try to list facts or debate reason do some of you need to rant about craphead commie countries as though we all loved them - just because we want to bring some evidence to the debate?

 

and, point out what severe social & political arseholes Thatcher and her ilk were.

[duke007]

R.I.P. Maggie

[Tomcat]

I cannot understand why you people insist on tossing out tired wearisome cliches; perhaps reason and facts are beyond you.

Reason and Facts

 

roll out as many so called facts as you like but you cant get an ought from an is... unless you have your moral or ethical viewpoints chiseled in stone somewhere. Some are very happy what she done and thats an equally valid view 

 

maybe some of us think that Pinochet was a fine fellow for example..its just an opinion

[dazedandconfused]

-  She supported some of the very worst Dictatorships and State Terrorists of recent times: both publicly (Pinochet and Chile and the Apartheid Regime)

 

 

And so did most of the Western World.

 

Yeah, but that doesn't make it any better does it? 

 

roll out as many so called facts as you like but you cant get an ought from an is... unless you have your moral or ethical viewpoints chiseled in stone somewhere. Some are very happy what she done and thats an equally valid view 

 

maybe some of us think that Pinochet was a fine fellow for example...

 

There is no disputing that many folks believe that she was a wonderful human being and she certainly enriched (quite literally) many peoples lives.  Sadly she also trampeled over millions of others whom, as leader of the Country, she should have had a duty of care to.  Instead she inflicted a grevious amount of suffering on those who were not part of the plan. Quite simply that period of time was morally wrong and the compassion compass was lost.

 

I would like to hope Tomcat that you are playing devils advocate with the crack about Pinochet!  It would be very hard to make a positive case for the man who tortured, imprisoned and disappeared thousands of his fellow countrymen.... 

[redrock]

I don't buy into the argument that Thatcher ruined the mining and shipbuilding industries in the UK - the unions had done that already. I ain't a fan of the woman but listening to the gleeful commentary of her death makes me feel uncomfortable.  

 

She's dead, and like anybody else that dies there's a protocol for decent behaviour.  Street parties seem a bit crass.  

[SiamSam]

She's dead, and like anybody else that dies there's a protocol for decent behaviour.  Street parties seem a bit crass.  

 

Well put. 

[Jimslim]

I have really only ever hated one person in my life and it was this woman .

 

I hated her because she hated me , she hated and despised the working class and set out to destroy whole towns and communities with her policies - 3.5 Million thrown on the dole whilst the inner cities burnt in what had become a police state , the 1980's were a time of despair for many people .

 

She actually had not one ounce of compassion or human decency and seemed to delight in making others miserable 

 

I remember as a kid at school many of us and our parents collecting money for the miners because their fight was our fight .

 

Her policies in Ireland prolonged the conflict for another two decades at a great cost to many on all sides .

 

Now I hear she is to get a state funeral at the cost of 10 Million to the taxpayer .

 

In true Thatcher style they should privatize the event and sell seats to the highest bidders .

[azza33]

Jimslim... I did have a chuckle at your last line...

Kenw - academics - well what can we say. after spending plenty of time at university myself, i concluded there is a great deal of surplus dead wood floating about. Propped up by tax payer subsidies getting generous salaries & above standard super etc etc. My experience comes through study in the faculties associated with applied mathematics, economics & applied finance. So whilst my comments are generalist, ive had a good spread to draw my opinions. And yes i have plenty of friends still in the academic sphere but given they ended up at places like nasa, certain facilities in new mexico and advanced military research roles here at home i doubt very much they are the dead wood variety.

The government of the day has no right to borrow earnings of future citizens to compensate for their current incompetence. Thats irrespective of either side of politics. If you cant live within your means you do without. Its a simple premise that if we lived by things would be a whole lot better.

As for dazed comments, some are opinions others facts, im sure you can determine which is which - remembering a consensus of opinion is nothing more than that.

Comparing Howard to Maggie ... What a nonsense.

[azza33]

I don't buy into the argument that Thatcher ruined the mining and shipbuilding industries in the UK - the unions had done that already. I ain't a fan of the woman but listening to the gleeful commentary of her death makes me feel uncomfortable.  

 

She's dead, and like anybody else that dies there's a protocol for decent behaviour.  Street parties seem a bit crass.  

Well put redrock.

[williethepimp]

I have really only ever hated one person in my life and it was this woman .

 

I hated her because she hated me , she hated and despised the working class and set out to destroy whole towns and communities with her policies - 3.5 Million thrown on the dole whilst the inner cities burnt in what had become a police state , the 1980's were a time of despair for many people .

 

She actually had not one ounce of compassion or human decency and seemed to delight in making others miserable 

 

I remember as a kid at school many of us and our parents collecting money for the miners because their fight was our fight .

 

Her policies in Ireland prolonged the conflict for another two decades at a great cost to many on all sides .

 

Now I hear she is to get a state funeral at the cost of 10 Million to the taxpayer .

 

In true Thatcher style they should privatize the event and sell seats to the highest bidders .

Great post Jimslim...i too remember food collections for the miners....I too remember she was that unpopular after her first election win....the 3 million she put on the dole...and her popularity was the lowest ever of any incumbent prime minister.......the tories were about to be trounced at the forthcoming election.....then along came General Galtieri and the Falklands war,and hey presto,she was saved......She actually divided the country geographically...the North -South divide they called it,but it was really London and its surroundings versus the rest.....A certain BM, thought it was  A GOOD THING......but to the majority of the country it wasn't.That divide stil exists. And yes-Im quite happy to celebrate her death,like I would any other evil fucker.....I bet she didnt shed any tears over the crew of the Belgrano.....

[bumblebee]

Just a little historical interlude regarding the word Tory.

 

The word "Tory" derives from the Middle Irish word tóraidhe; modern Irish tóraí: outlaw, robber or brigand, from the Irish word tóir, meaning "pursuit", since outlaws were "pursued men"

 

Wikipedia.

[azza33]

Just a little historical interlude regarding the word Tory.

 

The word "Tory" derives from the Middle Irish word tóraidhe; modern Irish tóraí: outlaw, robber or brigand, from the Irish word tóir, meaning "pursuit", since outlaws were "pursued men"

 

Wikipedia.

Cheeky once again BB.

[dixon cox]

Good old Maggie, she could always ruffle a few feathers. We all see the world from where we stand and for some people being unhappy because a Prime Minister did not make a positive impact on their own life is natural.

 

 

::: The problem with threads regarding politics and religion is that they end up with BM's potentially forming a dislike for each other because of differing opinions over these volatile subjects.

 

First and foremost this is a niche 3rd world tranny loving forum and it is our little world. I personally do not want to lose any beer-buddies over this. Sometimes maybe it's best (if we have to) to put in our two-penneth and then try not to react to anyone else's viewpoint. To be honest I wish I hadn't contributed to this thread at all, I managed to pretty much resist altogether on some other similar threads.

[dazedandconfused]

You are probably right DC.  Time to agree to disagree and move on.

 

Maybe we can revisit the old 'Which is best: Pattaya versus Phuket' debate?

[mardhi]

I agree with DC - political threads should really be a no-no.  

 

My old dear departed Papa said never talk about religion or politics and I tend to avoid all such discussions myself.  

[Tomcat]

I agree with DC - political threads should really be a no-no.  

 

My old dear departed Papa said never talk about religion or politics and I tend to avoid all such discussions myself.  

 

That is impossible...it will creep in no matter what if you have a room like this. After all , maybe guys actually want to know that there potential drinking buddy in Big Dogs is an abrasive right wing Fascist or wears a Che T Shirt

 

Any Politics thread is going one way .. southwards , let be honest . Thats just a fact of life.

 

I dont care to be honest , free speech and all that..

[seven]

 

 

::: The problem with threads regarding politics and religion is that they end up with BM's potentially forming a dislike for each other because of differing opinions over these volatile subjects.

 

First and foremost this is a niche 3rd world tranny loving forum and it is our little world. I personally do not want to lose any beer-buddies over this. Sometimes maybe it's best (if we have to) to put in our two-penneth and then try not to react to anyone else's viewpoint. To be honest I wish I hadn't contributed to this thread at all, I managed to pretty much resist altogether on some other similar threads.

How very true, dc.

 

However, I don´t subscribe to or use any political or religious boards, so this board is the only one where i participate in these topics.

But like you said, probably better to not participate in these threads, and go back to a more intellectual fulfilling sphere by  solely worshipping third world  transsexual prostitutes. Theres nothing more important in life than ladyboys.

[pdogg]

 

::: The problem with threads regarding politics and religion is that they end up with BM's potentially forming a dislike for each other because of differing opinions over these volatile subjects.

 

First and foremost this is a niche 3rd world tranny loving forum and it is our little world. I personally do not want to lose any beer-buddies over this. 

 

Just as DC doesn't want to lose beer buddies, my fear is losing LBR Members.

 

Many feel it's ungentlemanly to piss on someone's grave.  But when Osama Bin Laden was taken out, his grave was a mosh pit.  So I guess it depends who is six feet under. Obviously Chavez and Thatcher stir up strong emotions.

 

Healthy debate makes for interesting reading.  But often these debates turn into attacking the guy who posted which is the type of flaming we want to avoid.   So my request is that on LBR we stick to the issues and not personally attack the poster who has an opinion that differs from yours. 

 

I started this thread and figured it would get a bit heated.  We certainly don't want to censor around here.  What we want to avoid  is flaming and score settling.

[Lone Ranger]

 

 

In true Thatcher style they should privatize the event and sell seats to the highest bidders .

 

 Or just throw her down a mine shaft.

 

I see preparations are all ready under way

[360]

Meanwhile, down at hell's gates, satan prepares himself for a leadership challenge....