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Bryan is the head honcho of the Nitghtwish Group which operate a shitload of bars on Soi 6

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Things are tough in the Pattaya bar scene. So much so that one of the town’s leading bar entrepreneurs, Bryan Flowers, who heads up the Night Wish Group, has decided to go on a hunger strike until the situation is resolved. ‘Resolved’ means the bars are open and serving alcohol.

Bryan’s Group started off their pandemic by rolling their sleeves up and getting involved in any number of local initiatives to help out-of-work staff get themselves sorted, or at least fed. But things went from bad to worse as it became clear to Bryan that the short-term ‘bandaid’ approach wasn’t going to be sustainable as the pandemic, and the Thai government response, kept Pattaya’s bars quiet.

We spoke to Bryan as he embarks on this deadly serious protest. Will this dramatic protest have any effect? Bryan is posting his ‘mood of the meeting’ daily on his Facebook page. His main issue, and that of many other bar and entertainment venue owners in the party town, is that the government and authorities have been giving too many postponed re-start dates and a sense of false hope.

“From what I have been told, December 1 is the day we are “definitely” going to be open. But it’s simply too long, especially as so many businesses are already open and those people are attempting to rebuild their lives and incomes again after this long period of closures. Why not us?”

Chon Buri, and therefore Pattaya, have been under the cloud of Dark Red, and now Red, Covid zoning which prevents bars from reopening or alcohol being served.

So will other operators get behind Bryan and follow his lead with the rest of November ahead for the fasting protest?

“No one has contacted me about joining in, I wouldn’t like to ask, for those without fasting experience it probably seems a bit crazy. I consider fasting healthy if done properly and with simple monitoring. However, plenty of people have been negative about my stand online, saying that it will make no difference.”

“Alone I don’t expect to make much of a difference, but if the landlords hounding us for rents understand how serious the problems are, then I hope to have made some small difference. I have had no income for almost two years, I am completely fed up with it all! We have been closed for seven months straight in this last round.”

If we’re reading the current tea leaves correctly, Bryan’s prediction of a December 1 reopening seems likely, although nothing has been announced officially at this stage. How would a December 1 re-opening pan out? And how many of Pattaya’s closed bars will actually open?

“We will be very busy to start with as we will open faster than most. Many bars will be slow to open, which is probably safer for them as more potential customers arrive. I think they will all reopen over time, but I think many bar owners have left this town or the country altogether and they might wait until they feel it is safe to open.”

“As soon as we open, all the landlords will have their hands out immediately with rents and key money likely to be back to the full amount. Opening the bars for me isn’t the end of the race, it’s just the start of the next fight.

Bryan has been a leading figure in the campaign to get Pattaya’s bars open again. He’s also led the way with changing up the old business model to try and make ends meet during the crisis.

“I am active on YouTube and I am in touch with customers regularly. I have no doubt that our bars will financially break-even very quickly. I am not sure about some of the gogo bars which rely on mostly Asian customers.”

“Our industry is different from the others, it will recover faster, I am not sure about mainstream travellers and tourism, it could take a while.”

In the meantime, Bryan’s patience has worn thin and forced him into this drastic action.

“We were told October, then November, now I am told its December 1. At the same time we have yet another landlord threatening us with a large amount of key money or they won’t renew the contract.”

“I simply feel helpless at this point, so I felt going on this fast was the best way of expressing myself without causing problems for or hurting people around me.”

“I wanted to use this negative energy and turn it into a positive, I feel sick with anxiety often, waiting for the next problem. We have a landlord making huge demands right now again and we have been told we can open on the 1st of December.”

https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/tourism/pattaya-bar-owner-goes-on-hunger-strike-over-government-diddling-and-re-opening-fiasco

 

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I can well see why He has been driven to this, there was a comment I made early on stating that I thought this was the perfect opportunity for the powers to be to shut down the scene in Pattaya and I reckon they have certainly made a dam good go at is so far.

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13 hours ago, Pdoggg said:

Things are tough in the Pattaya bar scene. So much so that one of the town’s leading bar entrepreneurs, Bryan Flowers, who heads up the Night Wish Group, has decided to go on a hunger strike until the situation is resolved. ‘Resolved’ means the bars are open and serving alcohol.

excellent idea.

lets hope the bars are closed until next July then.

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8 hours ago, seven said:

Ehh, seriously? I heard there's a shortage of lorry drivers in the UK, might be something to consider if you don't like Pattaya.

Right the Lorry driver situation. I will explain it to you.

A few years ago they introduced a course called CPC its a vocational course that all Lorry drivers under take. Basically the older driver told their employers to F$%k off. They started to leave the Industry. Also they were moaning about drivers coming in from the EU (Eastern Europe) they were driving wages down.

Then this scenario played out:

1. A fair few EU drivers returned home due to Brexit.

2. The DVLA (the government department that deals with licenses) shut down) stayed on Furlough, they basically refused to work and the Union backed them. 

3. Drivers that continued to work during the shutdown basically had enough of the Job due to lack of facilities. Its called tramping ( stay with the vehicle overnight and do your shifts).

So what's happened since? :

Wages have increased because of demand.

The DVLA has reopened and is fast tracking applications.

If you got rid of the CPC (an EU driven qualification). You'd get quite a few returning along with the condition of no tramping.

Also there are 2 licenses (class1 and class2)

Class 2 are the smaller lorry, known as a rigid.

Class 1 is the bigger lorry.

There was never a fuel shortage, it was to clear stocks of E5 fuel and swop over to E10 at the pumps.

The situation has improved, smaller shops restock with vans which was the case anyway. Mid sized shops are usually re-stocked with class 2's.

The problem now is the class 1's driving containers and curtain siders etc (back log at ports and railway hubs). Training schools are open, the DVLA is processing licenses now.

If you got rid of the CPC (only needed for driving in the EU anyway) most of the older drivers would come back if they didn't have to tramp.

Problem solved. We are not the only country with a shortage of drivers Seven.

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2 hours ago, Fenton said:

Problem solved. We are not the only country with a shortage of drivers Seven.

:good:

The good thing about the 'ignore' button function is that I don't have to read the drivel from Pattaya's No 1 Balloon Chaser or the Forum' No 1 Brit Basher anymore, unfortunately however if someone does reply to one of their posts then I do get to see it :( (e.g. the post above), I still see the saddo just can't help himself with all things UK. :crazy:

@Rom, I don't have you on ignore ( not yet anyway :wink:), and I don't get this idea that you think I am a Moderater??? :wacko:

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Now back on Topic, I don't know how far Bryan thinks he will get with the authorities in question, time will tell I guess. 

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I Knew a guy from a previous work place. He fasted for 28 days. He did survive the ordeal. 

He lost over 4 stone in weight.

He raised money for charity etc.

As long as you keep hydrated with water. Its possible.

I think Mr Flowers will have to be checked by a doctor everyday, just to be on the safe side. 

I don't think the authorities will care TBH. But Mr Flowers followers will on social media.

Wish him the best of luck and I sincerely hope there are no medical complications due to this endeavour.

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I've watched (parts of) the Q&A video to see how BF is coping with his fasting...



Was surprised when he demonstrated that there's a way to send money directly on YouTube during live streams / live chats...

This YT function is called Super Chat I believe.

I think that's a cool feature!

One issue I have with Facebook live streams is that if you want to send money to someone, say to Emmy's bar, you first have to open another browser window and go to your PayPal account and then either manually enter or copy-paste the Paypal address of the recipient which is hopefully mentioned in the Facebook live stream post...

This is not very user friendly imo and the problem if you only have a private PayPal account - and not a business account - is that your real name will be revealed to someone you perhaps don't even know personally and you don't know what happens with this sensitive account information over time...

Alternatively one could transfer money via MoneyGram or Western Union, but that's also not that user friendly I think...

With Super Chat you just click on the money symbol, enter the amount you want to give to the YouTuber, enter the credit card details and click on the send button. I don't think that the credit card details will be revealed to the recipient, will they?

If you're using a fake Google/YouTube account you can still send money with your real credit card, right?

Has anyone ever tried or used YouTube Super Chat to send money to the bars / girls? What was your experience?

Why are not more bars using YouTube instead of Facebook for their live streams? Everyone can use YouTube - but not everyone is on Facebook. On both social media sites nudity is a no-go, I therefore cannot see much of a difference here ...


Interesting that the NW group has to pay key money to the landlords every three years. I thought they owned all the bars on Soi 6?

Also interesting to me is that the NW group is much more open about who they are and what they are doing compared to some other bar groups, such as for example the big big bar group in Bangkok.

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59 minutes ago, Fenton said:

Things are not looking good.

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No, not really...:sad0116:

https://www.pattayamail.com/latestnews/news/thailand-to-consider-keeping-bars-clubs-closed-through-new-year-378789

Apparently BF talked about this briefly already in his live stream yesterday...

From the BH:

"Those who aren’t paying off crooked cops – such as the many straight-up watering holes on lower Sukhumvit Road and Khao San Road – remain closed. The same is true for nightclubs. Big nightspots in the RCA area or on Soi 11 continue to be shut down while Thai clubs paying bribes or owned by police are back to normal, such as Top One in the Rachada area, which has bottle service, live bands and discos lights going nightly. While nearly every other business owner is again earning coin – even if they have to pay off the cops to do it – law-abiding bar owners are now being chastised by the former general in charge for being “selfish” for wanting to reopen legally." :sad:

https://bangkokherald.com/living/entertainment/thailands-bars-clubs-to-stay-closed-until-2022-under-proposal-to-ccsa/

TopOne Club...:

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... a restaurant??

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Pic above from a soundcheck 4 days ago posted by a VJ working for TOPONE Club...

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30 minutes ago, Papa Sam said:

LePub Pattaya on plans not to reopen bars until 2022:

 

 Phil the owner of Le Pub has apparently decided to stop talking for 72 hours too :crazy:

Whatever next, Pdoggg protesting whilst walking down Beach Road dressed in a mankini? :rolleye0012:

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10 hours ago, Papa Sam said:

LePub Pattaya on plans not to reopen bars until 2022:

 

Well I watched for about 2 minutes. Could not stand the massive microphones in front of their faces!. Surely they can have one on the desk in front of them?.

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BF and AJ from the Pattaya News discussed the rumors about postponing the reopening of bars until 2022 in their Q&A session yesterday.

Appears that the source where the rumors originated is just a small and perhaps even obscure news outlet. It's also a bit unclear what weight the proposal to postpone the reopening of bars will really have at the CCSA meeting tomorrow (or today?).

I think we'll have to wait and see what happens at the next CCSA meeting. Until then everything is just speculation... 

BTW: BF has lost half a kg of body fat so far...

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23 hours ago, Papa Sam said:

I've watched (parts of) the Q&A video to see how BF is coping with his fasting...



Was surprised when he demonstrated that there's a way to send money directly on YouTube during live streams / live chats...

This YT function is called Super Chat I believe.

I think that's a cool feature!

One issue I have with Facebook live streams is that if you want to send money to someone, say to Emmy's bar, you first have to open another browser window and go to your PayPal account and then either manually enter or copy-paste the Paypal address of the recipient which is hopefully mentioned in the Facebook live stream post...

This is not very user friendly imo and the problem if you only have a private PayPal account - and not a business account - is that your real name will be revealed to someone you perhaps don't even know personally and you don't know what happens with this sensitive account information over time...

Alternatively one could transfer money via MoneyGram or Western Union, but that's also not that user friendly I think...

With Super Chat you just click on the money symbol, enter the amount you want to give to the YouTuber, enter the credit card details and click on the send button. I don't think that the credit card details will be revealed to the recipient, will they?

If you're using a fake Google/YouTube account you can still send money with your real credit card, right?

Has anyone ever tried or used YouTube Super Chat to send money to the bars / girls? What was your experience?

Why are not more bars using YouTube instead of Facebook for their live streams? Everyone can use YouTube - but not everyone is on Facebook. On both social media sites nudity is a no-go, I therefore cannot see much of a difference here ...


Interesting that the NW group has to pay key money to the landlords every three years. I thought they owned all the bars on Soi 6?

Also interesting to me is that the NW group is much more open about who they are and what they are doing compared to some other bar groups, such as for example the big big bar group in Bangkok.

Regarding the girls shown on the cover page of the video. Out of the 13 girls shown, I can only pick out two that I find at all good looking!. It would not be that ratio if showing a LB bar I am sure. I wonder why that should be?.

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3 hours ago, Papa Sam said:

BTW: BF has lost half a kg of body fat so far...

 

41 minutes ago, Woodie said:

Regarding the girls shown on the cover page of the video. Out of the 13 girls shown, I can only pick out two that I find at all good looking!.

totally agree Woodie.

Papa Sam..don't worry about giving us a regular weight loss update..  just let us know when the publicity seeking egotistical self-promoting conman croaks.

 

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1981 Robert Gerard Sands (Bobby Sands) died on hunger strike while imprisoned at prison maze in Belfast. Although British people found hios struggle controversial, he had protested against violence of protestants in Northern Ireland against the catholic minority and eventually against the change in his prisonner status. 

2021 : a British pimp  started a hunger strike to claim for his right to exploit girls and ladyboys from low income Thai regions and make money managing people like money machines. 

 

On 11/9/2021 at 11:54 AM, Fenton said:

Yes I don't understand this also. Sweden under the magnifying glass is far from perfect 555.

 

 

Of course, nothing can be perfect in this world as soon as you leave England. 

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