Misadventures with "herbal" viagra

[rxpharm]

Some of you may have seen the sad news about former NBA player Lamar Odom. While not all the facts are in yet, it would appear that "herbal" Viagra may have been a factor.

Here's the story from CNN
 

(CNN)—When employees at a Nevada brothel found former NBA star Lamar Odom unresponsive on Tuesday, they told the 911 dispatchers that he had been using cocaine on Saturday. He also took "10 sexual performance enhancer supplements" within a three-day period according to Nye County Sheriff Sharon Wehrly.

The Sheriff's department was not sure exactly which supplements he used. According to the 911 recording, Odom took "Reload 72-hour strong sexual enhancement for men," but the department is still investigating. It took blood samples to examine exactly what was in Odom's system.

In 2013, the Food and Drug Administration warned consumers not to use a product named "Reload" as it contained sildenafil, the active ingredient in the FDA-approved prescription drug Viagra, which wasn't listed as an ingredient on the label and could interact poorly with other drugs.

If you click on the link for "Reload" on the FDA warning page it takes you to a website. Use Google translate and instead of selling a supplement to treat erectile dysfunction, the page promises to help you "meet amateur women in a completely free dating site."

While cocaine may have played a role in Odom being unresponsive, the experts say you should avoid sexual performance enhancing supplements, also sometimes called "herbal Viagra," (not to be confused with the actual prescription drug) at all costs.

"If someone were to ask about them, I would caution them not to take anything of this type. They are ineffective and the men could possibly be submitting themselves to danger," said Dr. Drogo K. Montague, who works with the Cleveland Clinic's Glickman Urological and Kidney Institute. "They come under the rubric of really bad ideas."

Men may be tempted to buy the products since you don't need a prescription for them and they are often cheaper than prescription drugs. They are also plentiful. You can buy so-called "herbal Viagra" nearly anywhere: online, at sex shops, Chinese medicine shops, and even gas stations. They are often sold under cheeky names such as "Happy Passengers," "3 Hard Knights," or "Dick's Hard Up." They may appeal to men because they claim to be "natural," although that's usually not the case, Montague said.

The FDA has issued warnings to consumers not to take these products and dozens of others. Often they are tainted. Studies have found that the herbal drugs on the market have included heavy metals, pesticides, printer ink, and commercial paint, according to Dr. Irwin Goldstein a sexual dysfunction doctor in San Diego.

A 2013 study done with the help of a division of Pfizer, the company that makes the real Viagra, found that many of the so called "herbal" drugs they sampled actually contained the active ingredient in Viagra or contained tadalafil, the active ingredient in Cialis and Adcirca, even though this was not listed on the label. This could be dangerous especially if men are taking drugs containing nitrates. The combination of a supplement that has Viagra in it could make a person's blood pressure drop so low it could lead to death. Taking too much of any herbal supplement or medication is dangerous.

Related: Deadly fake Viagra: Online pharmacies suspected of selling counterfeit drugs

"Because they are not approved, like drugs, we can't know what is in it," said Alexander Garrard the clinical managing director of the Washington Poison Center. "And keep in mind just because it is called 'herbal' doesn't make it safe."

Supplements are not regulated the same way prescription pharmaceuticals are in this country. They don't have to meet the strict scientific standards that regular drugs do before they go to market, nor do companies have to prove to the FDA that they work. Technically these companies are supposed to inform the FDA what is in their products. Experts say they often don't.

About 23,000 people end up at the Emergency Room a year due to some kind of complication from taking dietary supplements, according to a new study from the New England Journal of Medicine, but sexual enhancement products only accounted for 3.4% of those visits.

There were around 813 calls to poison center lines in 2013 related to what the centers classify as "other types of vasodilator," a medication that opens blood vessels according to a report from the association that represents poison centers, the AAPCC. The report does not distinguish if these were calls about "herbal Viagra" or actual prescription "Viagra" or both and not all problems related to taking these drugs are reported to poison centers or send someone to the ER.

Most of the time men who take "herbal Viagra" are "probably not subjecting themselves to too much danger," Montague said. "But we don't know what they are taking, and there is a whole class of things available in them that may be dangerous."

CNN's Debra Goldschmidt contributed to this report

While all the facts are not yet in, it is clear that misusing these products and prescription erectile dysfunction drugs can lead to serious consequences.

 

[ArchieBunker]

Call me a cynic but I would venture to guess that he had more than that in his system.........

[Pdoggg]

Heart Attack kills foreigner after too many sex pills

A 64-year-old man popped sex drugs and died of a heart attack while romping with an escort who fled leaving him on the bed.

The man – named by police as San Gray – booked into the love hotel on February 9th at 7pm before ordering food to eat in the room.

A woman was seen on CCTV arriving on a moped at 10pm before leaving a ”short time later” while the man was sprawled naked on the bed in Bueng Kan, northern Thailand.

Maids who checked the room at midnight found packets of an aphrodisiac called ”the muscle” and the man’s penis was still erect – despite being dead for more than an hour.

Police said they believed he had suffered a heart attack while having sex with the young girl due to the power of the drug, or that he had eaten a large meal before having ”vigorous activity”.

Police Captain Narong Srimart said the man took an aphrodisiac before having sex and had a heart attack during sex.

He added: ‘’The officials opened the door into the room and the deceased was found lying naked. His penis was still hard and erect. He had been dead about an hour.”

http://pattayaone.news/en/64-year-dies-heart-attack/

[JustSumGai]

gotta say that "the muscle" stuff is killer.  Imagine that, hard an HOUR after yer dead. I sure coulda used something that good on the last trip :)  Black Ant King did virtually nothing as far as I could tell. My problem with all this is that it seems the market is virtually flooded with fakes. I think someone puts out the good stuff for long enough for word to spread, then switches up to fakes. For sure you'd be lucky to get something halfway effective off a table seller. 

[TEXASMAC]

I am going with AB, he was a Train Wreck in Waitig

[TEXASMAC]

Sorry, AB

[xyzzy]

11 hours ago, JustSumGai said:

Black Ant King did virtually nothing as far as I could tell.

It had the same non effect on me. Although I know guys that love the stuff.

[rxpharm]

As mentioned in another one of my posts about "herbal" viagra - it is common that one batch or even one tablet may carry no active ingredient (sildenafil - which is the generic name for VIagra), and the next batch or tablet could have 10x the normal amount.

Basically anyone who buys these products is rolling the dice. There is a safer alternative and that is to buy the generic from a licensed registered Thai pharmacy.

[SiamSam]

1 hour ago, rxpharm said:

There is a safer alternative and that is to buy the generic from a licensed registered Thai pharmacy.

Yup, good advice. I endorse this completely. Beats me why someone would take chances ingesting the unknown. 

[globetrotter]

1 hour ago, SiamSam said:

Yup, good advice. I endorse this completely. Beats me why someone would take chances ingesting the unknown. 

or even sucking a cock that u have no idea where its been? :) 

[stoolpusher]

It is way more expensive but I get my little blue helper from the pharmacy near soi 4 nana it works for me, I tried the black ant last trip and had no effect on me , I was not game enough to take a second black ant  so I stuck with the real stuff.   

[SiamSam]

12 minutes ago, stoolpusher said:

I get my little blue helper from the pharmacy near soi 4 nana

Is that the place next to Bully's?

I usually stock up on Cialis there and it's usually good value compared to North American prices. 

[stoolpusher]

 

 

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56 minutes ago, SiamSam said:

Is that the place next to Bully's?

I usually stock up on Cialis there and it's usually good value compared to North American prices. 

its next to the gas station with MacDonalds between soi 4 and 2 nana, two boxes of V ( 8 tabs ) is about 3,200 baht

[SiamSam]

That's the place. 

[williethepimp]

funny you  should mention that....the last black ant kings I bought were useless also......

[duke007]

The Black Ant Kings I have bought are doing me just fine thus far, however I have now been here for 4 days and not even managed to get out of the Soi Baukhao area (Tuk Com to the Piss Stop Bar being the furthest), fuck I haven't even seen 2nd road yet so maybe they are affecting my legs 

[SiamSam]

21 minutes ago, williethepimp said:

funny you  should mention that....the last black ant kings I bought were useless also......

Willy, I am surprised you are buying this stuff. FWIW, cease and desist. You're smarter than that. 

[sustra2]

i usually buy the thai viagra called sidegra.....

[xyzzy]

There are two pharmacies between Sukhumvit Soi 2 and Soi 4 in BKK. The larger of the two, next to Bully's, has Sidegra for 200 baht a box. I haven't found a price that good in Pattaya. Some of the Soi Buakhao pharmacies are asking 350-400. If you are in BKK stock up. 

[Pdoggg]

Was the Queen Bee of the Black Ant Gang busted or is she just a mid level operative?

 

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Pattaya police make successful bust of drugs used for sexual activity

On March 5^th, Pattaya police successfully tracked down and confiscated a supply of drugs used for sexual activity as well as some 500,000 baht in cash.

Reports had reached police that an organized gang had been operating in the Pattaya area for some time and police had finally managed to mount enough evidence to spring a trap. They had an undercover operative contact the seller and a meeting was arranged at a restaurant to discuss a potential sale.

At the meeting, it became apparent that the seller was not a prominent figure of the gang. She had a total of 84 boxes of pills available for sale, which would cost 40,000 Baht. Police quickly altered the plan slightly and asked if they could buy a further 50 boxes of a cheaper brand, totaling 44,000.

The seller then contacted her boss, and led police right to what they were looking for.

A 43 year old Thai woman was arrested and taken down to the police station, along with the small seller, for further questioning.

As well as the sex pills, police also managed to confiscate 500,000 baht in cash, which they are confident was money made from selling the illegal drugs. Although police are happy with the arrests, they still believe there are more gang members involved and will be carrying on the investigation in an attempt to track them down and bring them to justice.

http://pattayaone.news/en/successful-sex-drugs-bust/

 

[stoolpusher]

How effective is the Thai Viagra ( Sidegra ) compared to the well known  Viagra ( same strength 100 mg ) Please.

[JustSumGai]

at first it didn't seem so great but at least this package had me tack driving hard. Biggest problem I see is no quality control.  Another thing is freshness/age.  Might be a date on the box, but could you trust it?

[xyzzy]

I had mixed results with Sidegra but maybe it's age as I don't get the same pop with Cialis as in the past. GPO makes a lot of generic drugs.  I used their generic version of Zithromax (Azycin) successfully a couple of times when I got food poisoning. They also make a generic version or Truvada (PrEP). Would be scary to think that doesn't have quality control! Here is a list or their featured products with an annoying popup in the middle of the page: https://www.mims.com/Thailand/Company/Info/GPO

There is probably a better link somewhere but I got tired of looking for it.

Here is GPO's web site FWIW: http://www.intergpomed.com/Default.aspx?tabid=39

 

[xyzzy]

Apparently that first like is no good? Worked when I posted it.

[rxpharm]

Access to MIMS requires a registered account, according to the information it is free.

19 hours ago, xyzzy said:

Apparently that first like is no good? Worked when I posted it.