When they say you are too big...

[Rom]

It came up in one of the other threads that an Indonesian sissy had refused to be buggered and yet expected to be paid and thus not only denied the punter his intended sex experience but also placed him in the unpleasant position of either paying in full for nothing, or witholding total or partial payment and deal with the confrontation that inevitably would ensue.

In this case the pretext was that the punter "was too big" for the sissy's delicate ass, a pretext that has been used on me regularly by both GGs and ladyboys. As well-endowed I may or may not be, I know well that using such pretext is the most diplomatic way of avoiding anal penetration by those who dont enjoy it, and women have been using it on me since my early 20s. It was perhaps the major reason I took interest in ladyboys as the buggery went without saying...  I think in my first 6 or 7 years of sissy-mongering with many dozens of them i can only recall 2 denying me their sweet cornhole.  Yes there were occasions when I was not erect enough and they could have been more accommodating, but at least they assumed the position.  And there were other occasions when they were begging me to be fucked and it was me who not wanting to deal with the condom chose to engage in other forms of sex with them.

The first one I remember flat out refusing me her ass was a very attractive ladyboy who worked at Obsessions.  In the room when she saw my cock she just got dressed and walked out literally leaving me holding it.  She did not ask for any money.  She just left. I got dressed and went to Obsessions to demand my barfine money back, but the ladyboy never went back there and as you can imagine the mamasan was not eager to refund me.  The compromise reached was for me to take another ladyboy who paid her barfine out of her own pocket after agreeing with me to an LT fee more than I had negotiated with the first sissy. Faces were saved.

Then a few years later there was this very attractive ladyboy named Nam at the old Stringfellows and she agreed to come with me LT but once in the room she was  perfunctory and I was prepared for her to do a runner on me after I fucked her.  Problem was she also did not let me fuck her saying I was "too big."  I was hoping she would change her mind once we got going but she wasnt even making an effort to suck me.

That's when I told her to just go, but she demanded payment. I kicked her out of the room, but once downstairs she refused to depart and threatened to call the police and we settled on 500 baht.

Since then I have accepted just to write it off whenever they refuse to be  buggered and get some value for my money by doing as much oral as I can and TAKE AS MANY PICS AS I CAN.  Out of the question they fucking me if they don't let me do it to them. And if things reach that point the chemistry is ruined and hostile enough for me NOT wanting to do anything with them, let alone LT with them.

What about other BMs:  How do you feel if they don't let you or are too tight for penetration?  Does it ruin the experience?  What other forms of sex do you settle for?  Do you pay them in full ?

Here are some pics of Nam I managed to take.  Apparently she did not even get naked before I called it off.

 

[Pdoggg]

3 hours ago, Rom said:

How do you feel if they don't let you or are too tight for penetration?  Does it ruin the experience?  What other forms of sex do you settle for?  Do you pay them in full ?

Anal: I can understand a ladyboy not wanting anal because their ass can't handle it on a particular night.  I also understand if a ladyboy cannot get an erection.

Oral:  But if a ladyboy won't give or receive oral she shouldn't be looking for customers.  I guess an exception would be if the customer is dripping pus or has an otherwise infected dick.

Changing The Payment:   Very tricky situation paying less than you promised even if she doesn't do all that she promised either sexually or length of stay.

[Dan Miller]

Interesting topic @Rom  I think everyone in our scene has experienced it before.

Only discussion about money I had in Nigeria, where a girl assured me she had condoms. When in the room she told me she didn't have any. Since I ran out, and for sure wasn't up for 'Russian roulette), I asked her to get dressed again and leave. She said: "In Nigeria you have to pay if you have seen me naked". Told her a few times it wouldn't and after I threatened her with calling hotel security, she finally left. Didn't pay one single Naira. An experience I will not forget easy, so probably in the future I will choose to simply pay, instead of confronting it.

I had quite some ladyboys between the sheets in Thailand which couldn't be penetrated. Personally I think I'm not that big, but when comparing to the ladyboys, difference is significant. Since I don't want to hurt a girl in anyway, I won't force them to do anything they don't feel comfortable with. Never ever had a girl who refused mutual oral pleasure though. Some 'tight' examples: Balloon (former WN), Jenny (CIB), Bebe (CIB), Nat (CIB), Luna (CIB), Nena (CS) and Deedee (CS). As long as they at least try to engage in other ways to satisfy each other, I still pay them.

The last time I bf'd Susi (from CIB), she was too drunk to do anything. She undressed, fell on the bed like a starfish. Even a blowjob and some fingering couldn't bring any enthusiasm, which was really a mood killer. So we agreed I wouldn't pay her anything. She also realized her performance was below par.

Don't think girls which can't be fucked will be repeated, unless it's as part of a moresome or just a great mutual 'click'.

 

[Dayglow]

Mate i agree, I m classed as 'Big in Australia re cock width', Thai girls love it,,,Ladyboys they dont

[Dan Miller]

44 minutes ago, Dayglow said:

Mate i agree, I m classed as 'Big in Australia re cock width', Thai girls love it,,,Ladyboys they dont

A heave cross to bear 

And not only the cross 

[Hard1]

6 hours ago, Dan Miller said:

Some 'tight' examples: Balloon (former WN), Jenny (CIB), Bebe (CIB), Nat (CIB), Luna (CIB), Nena (CS) and Deedee (CS). As long as they at least try to engage in other ways to satisfy each other, I still pay them.

Perhaps you took her just after me 

[Dan Miller]

11 minutes ago, Hard1 said:

Perhaps you took her just after me 

After you she probably wouldn't be as tight anymore 

[Woodie]

Never had the problem

After they faint it is easy

[Rom]

There is a variant to the "You are too big" buggery-dodging strategy, which is the "I am not clean" excuse I also get sporadically.

The problem with this one is that it may or may not be true, and the sissies are just giving you fair warning but will still let you bugger them.

If I assess them to be lying I insist since I wear a condom anyway.  Then if they were not lying, shit may happen but at least I am alerted for the pullout.  But more likely they ARE lying and after I insist they will still refuse or escalate to the "You are too big" pretext.

There was a time in my life when the more reluctant they were to be sodomized (especially the GGs) the more it excited me into doing it to them.  But now that most of my sex life includes buggering willing partners it's no longer such a big deal and I am likely to lose interest and erections if a sissy engages me in an argument to avoid it.

There is always the option to tell them to go clean themselves and wait.  But that's a mood killer for me.

To sum up: For me it's like 50-50 I consumate when they say they are not clean.

What about other BMs?  Have you encountered this situation?  If you have, did you go for it or not?

[Dan Miller]

1 hour ago, Rom said:

There is a variant to the "You are too big" buggery-dodging strategy, which is the "I am not clean" excuse I also get sporadically.

The problem with this one is that it may or may not be true, and the sissies are just giving you fair warning but will still let you bugger them.

If I assess them to be lying I insist since I wear a condom anyway.  Then if they were not lying, shit may happen but at least I am alerted for the pullout.  But more likely they ARE lying and after I insist they will still refuse or escalate to the "You are too big" pretext.

There was a time in my life when the more reluctant they were to be sodomized (especially the GGs) the more it excited me into doing it to them.  But now that most of my sex life includes buggering willing partners it's no longer such a big deal and I am likely to lose interest and erections if a sissy engages me in an argument to avoid it.

There is always the option to tell them to go clean themselves and wait.  But that's a mood killer for me.

To sum up: For me it's like 50-50 I consumate when they say they are not clean.

What about other BMs?  Have you encountered this situation?  If you have, did you go for it or not?

For me, they have to be clean! When they're not, or refuse to do so, I will show them the door. Luckily never happened 

[Pulci Gorgon]

I didn't believe I was too big till I completed by studies. I even had a complex fearing to have a ridiculously small cock. I remember the first p4p I went with telling me 'You've got what it takes !'. I thought it might be true but didn't really think about it. I didn't see myself as performant since I found new issues to cope with. But year after year, I noticed some GGs were not as endurant as one can believe and as I loved well hung girls with a small ass, they would sometimes ask me to put an end to the deed. 

I encountered my first issue with my Pinoy 'girlfriend'. I had a doubt about the first time I fucked her since I was tired and she kept one hand close to her ass, so that I often wondered afterwhile if she hadn't simulated a pentration. But on the next day, as I fucked her 'normally', I detected an unpleasant smell, which was the scent of blood. I couldn't fuck her again during all the time we spent together. 

I also  remember a Bangkok ladyboy grimacing while undergoing a doggy in a porn video. I had fucked her in a doggy style. But I encountered real issues twice in 2016 in Cambodia. The first one was a ladyboy met in Siem Reap. We had struggled for one hour to do it but I eventually understood she was unexperienced and it didn't help. I then tried to do something else but she had insisted time was over. A similar incident occurred in Sihanoukville involving the 'sister' of a once-renowned ladyboy (who had worked at Nana plaza)  whom I had encountered at Serendipity Beach, and I had followed to her chicken farm. We had spent time in some kind of a ST hotel and had struggle together for an hour in vane. I joined her on the following day in the small house she shared with her formerly famous sister and had tried again. I could feel only in the end that she had resigned herself and likely let go of the idea of making it. 

Then my 'Vietnamese girlfriend' had told me during the covid time she had felt impressed and had thought it might be too big, but she had enjoyed the experience since I had been soft. 
I then had to face a scammer last year in Saigon. I had missed a first meeting since she had too complex a process to meet her, the purpose being to make accept a threesome or I don't know what to forget the initial conditions. When she had come to my appartment, she couldn't play with the fact she had a friend with her but she started pretended being sick as soon as she had to suck me, even after puttinjg a condom. Ogf course, I was unable to f... her. It's easy for such a sissy to close her ass and pretend my dick is too hard. 

My last incident is more complex. At first she, had refused to let me make a photo, then I couldn't fuck her although she was over me. She then tried to make me harder again with a blowjob (with a condom), but somethingwould go wrong as soon as I would try to fuck her. I noticed she was 'closing' her ass refusing to let me fuck her. I also believe that Indonesian warias are troublemakers who know how to refuse to do the deed and have no respect for their clients.

(Tomorrow or later, I promise a good review)

[worldtraveler3]

This seems kinda odd I mean if I take a ladyboy to the room it's to fuck so if they can't do it for whatever reason then I'm not paying. Now if I wanna suck there dick or something and they can't get hard again not paying at least not the full amount. Why well when we are in the bar, club ,disco or where ever I got her from I ask what you can or can't do and you didn't say anything not my fault. 

[Zeppie]

On 12/8/2023 at 6:38 AM, Dan Miller said:

Interesting topic @Rom  I think everyone in our scene has experienced it before.

Only discussion about money I had in Nigeria, where a girl assured me she had condoms. When in the room she told me she didn't have any. Since I ran out, and for sure wasn't up for 'Russian roulette), I asked her to get dressed again and leave. She said: "In Nigeria you have to pay if you have seen me naked". Told her a few times it wouldn't and after I threatened her with calling hotel security, she finally left. Didn't pay one single Naira. An experience I will not forget easy, so probably in the future I will choose to simply pay, instead of confronting it.

I had quite some ladyboys between the sheets in Thailand which couldn't be penetrated. Personally I think I'm not that big, but when comparing to the ladyboys, difference is significant. Since I don't want to hurt a girl in anyway, I won't force them to do anything they don't feel comfortable with. Never ever had a girl who refused mutual oral pleasure though. Some 'tight' examples: Balloon (former WN), Jenny (CIB), Bebe (CIB), Nat (CIB), Luna (CIB), Nena (CS) and Deedee (CS). As long as they at least try to engage in other ways to satisfy each other, I still pay them.

The last time I bf'd Susi (from CIB), she was too drunk to do anything. She undressed, fell on the bed like a starfish. Even a blowjob and some fingering couldn't bring any enthusiasm, which was really a mood killer. So we agreed I wouldn't pay her anything. She also realized her performance was below par.

Don't think girls which can't be fucked will be repeated, unless it's as part of a moresome or just a great mutual 'click'.

 

I would venture to guess, that things don't get out of hand when you take them from reputable bars, like you listed.  That can make a big difference when it comes to disputes and such, especially when your known and with a good reputation.  In your case I am just assuming.......lol

[outsider]

With LBs at bars, I find most of them will grab your cock in your pants pretty early in the conversation. So they should have an idea of size. If they balk in the bedroom, that's on them. I do get a little worried when I hear "so big" early in the punt, but I figure with LBs or GGs, the can just add more lube, since I know I'm not a bull. I might be bigger than some of the easy targets they go for, but I'd say I'm pretty average for a Caucasian.

[Pulci Gorgon]

22 hours ago, Zeppie said:

I would venture to guess, that things don't get out of hand when you take them from reputable bars, like you listed.  That can make a big difference when it comes to disputes and such, especially when your known and with a good reputation.  In your case I am just assuming.......lol

 I hold a completely opposite opinion. I encountered the same issues with ladyboys either working in bars or freelancing in the streets, Thaifriendly or Wechat. Having posted it at PY resulted in my ban from PY. I had tried again a couple of years later without pressure from anyone and had been disappointed again.

IMHO, ladyboys who are too tight should stay away from p4p and mongers should create blacklists for them (but we're too lazy to maintain black lists, aren't we ?).

[Pdoggg]

3 hours ago, Pulci Gorgon said:

IMHO, ladyboys who are too tight should stay away from p4p and mongers should create blacklists for them

In Farangland there are many escort review sites and it motivates an escort to give a good performance because she doesn't want bad reviews.  It's really important if you are paying 300 Euro or whatever these escorts charge.  It becomes less important if you are paying 1000 baht or 1200 baht.

When Ladyboy Review started it was intended as a Review site which also had a forum.  Most of our members didn't care about the Review part so we got rid of it.  99% of Bolt drivers are extremely nice and I think their star rating system has much to do with that.  I either give drivers 5 stars or don't rate them at all since it's so cheap that I don't want to tank a driver's rating if he is slightly grumpy or takes an inefficient route.

For simplicity let's categorize customer complaints about ladyboys into two buckets.  Bucket 1 are things like she's says she can do everything in the bar and when she gets to the room she says you're too big.  Bucket 2 are much more serious thing such as drugging you and stealing your money.  Let's also make an assumption that bar owners don't give a shit about your complaints.  Even if barowners don't care, I would think that a lady(boy) who is a thief prefers to completely disappear after the deed so a bar or even a TF type site where theoretically the thief could be tracked if the problem was serious enough is safer than the street although I suppose on the street can CCTV track her.  I think the most dangerous situation is two unknown ladyboys pulling up to you on a motorbike.

As far as bedroom performance, asking friends which ladyboys would they take a second time is a somewhat good indicator of her performance.  A friendly barowner might also be able to provide such info.  Where this won't work well is in the Nana shitpits where mamasans might get a kickback from certain girls if recommended.

Te above is just my two baht.  YMMV

 

[Zeppie]

16 hours ago, Pulci Gorgon said:

 I hold a completely opposite opinion. I encountered the same issues with ladyboys either working in bars or freelancing in the streets, Thaifriendly or Wechat. Having posted it at PY resulted in my ban from PY. I had tried again a couple of years later without pressure from anyone and had been disappointed again.

IMHO, ladyboys who are too tight should stay away from p4p and mongers should create blacklists for them (but we're too lazy to maintain black lists, aren't we ?).

I would not call it a black list, but not a bad name for it.  The ones that work in reputable Thai LB bars, do have reputations and you have time to get to know them a little before ST.  SO, I dont think you get fooled very easily and if you do, there is a boss to complain to. TF or street, then greater chance for bad performance

 

[Zeppie]

12 hours ago, Pdoggg said:

In Farangland there are many escort review sites and it motivates an escort to give a good performance because she doesn't want bad reviews.  It's really important if you are paying 300 Euro or whatever these escorts charge.  It becomes less important if you are paying 1000 baht or 1200 baht.

When Ladyboy Review started it was intended as a Review site which also had a forum.  Most of our members didn't care about the Review part so we got rid of it.  99% of Bolt drivers are extremely nice and I think their star rating system has much to do with that.  I either give drivers 5 stars or don't rate them at all since it's so cheap that I don't want to tank a driver's rating if he is slightly grumpy or takes an inefficient route.

For simplicity let's categorize customer complaints about ladyboys into two buckets.  Bucket 1 are things like she's says she can do everything in the bar and when she gets to the room she says you're too big.  Bucket 2 are much more serious thing such as drugging you and stealing your money.  Let's also make an assumption that bar owners don't give a shit about your complaints.  Even if barowners don't care, I would think that a lady(boy) who is a thief prefers to completely disappear after the deed so a bar or even a TF type site where theoretically the thief could be tracked if the problem was serious enough is safer than the street although I suppose on the street can CCTV track her.  I think the most dangerous situation is two unknown ladyboys pulling up to you on a motorbike.

As far as bedroom performance, asking friends which ladyboys would they take a second time is a somewhat good indicator of her performance.  A friendly barowner might also be able to provide such info.  Where this won't work well is in the Nana shitpits where mamasans might get a kickback from certain girls if recommended.

Te above is just my two baht.  YMMV

 

Thanks Pdggg......but I have a hard time believing that the good LB bars don't care...........CS, CIB, etc keep a close eye on things and will listen to legitimate complaints about a girl.  I would agree that the shabby bars don't care.....thats why PG black list or negative reviews do matter.  

[Pulci Gorgon]

18 hours ago, Pdoggg said:

In Farangland there are many escort review sites and it motivates an escort to give a good performance because she doesn't want bad reviews.  It's really important if you are paying 300 Euro or whatever these escorts charge.  It becomes less important if you are paying 1000 baht or 1200 baht.

When Ladyboy Review started it was intended as a Review site which also had a forum.  Most of our members didn't care about the Review part so we got rid of it.  99% of Bolt drivers are extremely nice and I think their star rating system has much to do with that.  I either give drivers 5 stars or don't rate them at all since it's so cheap that I don't want to tank a driver's rating if he is slightly grumpy or takes an inefficient route.

For simplicity let's categorize customer complaints about ladyboys into two buckets.  Bucket 1 are things like she's says she can do everything in the bar and when she gets to the room she says you're too big.  Bucket 2 are much more serious thing such as drugging you and stealing your money.  Let's also make an assumption that bar owners don't give a shit about your complaints.  Even if barowners don't care, I would think that a lady(boy) who is a thief prefers to completely disappear after the deed so a bar or even a TF type site where theoretically the thief could be tracked if the problem was serious enough is safer than the street although I suppose on the street can CCTV track her.  I think the most dangerous situation is two unknown ladyboys pulling up to you on a motorbike.

As far as bedroom performance, asking friends which ladyboys would they take a second time is a somewhat good indicator of her performance.  A friendly barowner might also be able to provide such info.  Where this won't work well is in the Nana shitpits where mamasans might get a kickback from certain girls if recommended.

Te above is just my two baht.  YMMV

 

 

You classify drivers based on your American culture and education (you focus on the positive). In many other countries, people may not bother giving a 4 or 5 rating but won't hesitate to express their dissatisfaction, especially with a new driver they may have pressured for not reaching the destination fast enough.

When it comes to ladyboys, I see several reasons why they should be added to a blacklist, but all these reasons ultimately converge to one: they fail to provide customers with what the customers were entitled to expect after payment. The primary category includes those who exploit the situation to steal from the customer (thieves), but there could be other categories (you referred to as 'buckets') where they promise something they can't or won't deliver (eg: they complain you're too big). This also includes those who show a lack of respect even before you decide to BF them with or invite them to your room.
I make a difference between a ladyboy who had an incident she hadn't intended to have and one who knows she can't stand big cock but pretends she likes them when in the bar.

When I initially created my Vietnamese ladyboyss directory, I established both a 'gray' list and a blacklist. Although I later deleted the 'gray list,' I remained steadfast in keeping certain individuals on the blacklist, even some I have never met (since they didn't respect me at first contact)

 

5 hours ago, Zeppie said:

I would not call it a black list, but not a bad name for it.  The ones that work in reputable Thai LB bars, do have reputations and you have time to get to know them a little before ST.  SO, I dont think you get fooled very easily and if you do, there is a boss to complain to. TF or street, then greater chance for bad performance

 

The challenge with bars lies in the fact that customers tend to review the bar rather than the ladyboy they met. The influence of certain forums, such as PY, has led many clients to refrain from criticizing either a bar or a ladyboy due to the fear of a potential reaction from the bar owner, who has (or had) a close relationship with the moderation.

I am also reluctant to rely on bar owners to provide unbiased opinions on whether a ladyboy should be avoided or not. Given their investment in the ladyboy, they are naturally inclined to promote what they have in their lineup. Hence, I prefer to form my own judgment, although I acknowledge that communicating in Thaiglish within a bar is often more challenging than exchanging messages via Line or WeChat with freelancers.