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Vice..vice...vice....money and vice and lies...at the end they will die alone in a field..far away...looking at the stars they will never reach..because a younger one will take their place..and no money will be left..while sharks swm in circles around us..only there you realize how futile Your life was

When sperm & shit & blood mix together.. there's no place for love..but what else can we say...I miss you

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@seven, yes it is sad that lbs in Thailand are discriminated against in employment. I like to talk to the lbs I meet in bars about why they work there. It's usually the same story, as lbs they find it difficult to get a good job, even if they have degrees. If they do manage to get employment it will be at a low level, in a factory, shop, hotel or something like that and they can not progress to higher levels.

And of course Thai society requires them to financially support their parents and other family members.

Sometimes it does make me feel guilty. Am I exploiting them?  

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46 minutes ago, Quietguy said:

Sometimes it does make me feel guilty. Am I exploiting them?  

Good point QG.  I suppose we could view it in two ways, as a situation that suits both parties, if the girl is enjoying her time with a punter then it could be seen as the same as any job in a way.  On the other hand if they had alternative, decent paid employment would they look twice at most of the guys who go with them.  

Any of us who have ever tried to catch the eye of a gg or lb who doesn’t work the scene, particularly outside the tourist areas, will know it’s the same as back home, they are just not interested in older guys for the most part.  So desperation for income does give us that advantage.

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“Am I exploiting them?” —QG. I often wonder the same thing. One thing is for sure, as Bumblebee mentioned, most of the ladyboys would not look twice at us old guys if not for the money. So, in that sense, we are taking advantage of (exploiting) an economic situation that works in our favor. The ladyboys are making the best of a difficult socioeconomic situation that leaves them with limited income options. Although no one is putting a gun to their heads, there are very real economic pressures steering them into selling their ass to old farangs for money. 

This is very much like the economic draft in the US; poor people with limited options obliged to do something they would otherwise not, but for the money. 

Looks like exploitation to me. 

 

 

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14 hours ago, Quietguy said:

Am I exploiting them? 

Good question, QG. I have felt this many times and also expressed this on various forums but that has been as popular as cancer. Its simply nothing that's being considered, at least not in the open. My mongering days are completely different from 10 years ago though so I don't have to contemplate this too often now.  Last trip was a 5 month stretch with under 10 paid for sexy time.

13 hours ago, bumblebee said:

On the other hand

Excellent points , BB. I have friends who been employees all their life and they look upon themselves as whores or slaves. Go do something every day they don't like for money to be able to survive. One friend even said he'd fuck for money rather than go to his work. Problem is that hes no oil painting and would get zero business. So he goes to work every day and pays for sex while on holiday.

Look at the football players today. No loyalty to any club, its all about money. Whores if you ask me.

Being on the wrong side of 50 its no secret you're not the catch of the day in a nightclub or bar anymore. To think anything else is self-deceptive and you need to question your own self-image. To bang around in Marine at my age ( 52) and believe you are "scoring" is just pathetic, imo. Some guys may be enjoying Marine for what it is, I personally can't stand it,  but thats another topic.

Ive met som very nice persons on the job, but also some total lowlifes.

Treat people who deserve it with respect , hookers or moneyboys.

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10 hours ago, seven said:

Good question, QG. I have felt this many times and also expressed this on various forums but that has been as popular as cancer. Its simply nothing that's being considered, at least not in the open. My mongering days are completely different from 10 years ago though so I don't have to contemplate this too often now.  Last trip was a 5 month stretch with under 10 paid for sexy time.

Treat people who deserve it with respect , hookers or moneyboys.

I do feel this a lot of the time, especially when I'm back home. When I'm in los it doesn't seem to matter so much as it feels more like just the way things are. 

Perhaps I'm trying to justify myself but I like to think that p4p with ladyboys is less exploitative than with Thai ggs as I can see the lbs get erections and climax so I can believe they are at least enjoying themselves to some extent. But maybe I could think that if I made a gg climax.

I do always treat people with respect, I don't treat people as sex toys just because they are in p4p.

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17 hours ago, seven said:

at my age ( 52) 

 

i'm 52 too....hey....nowadays at 52 we are teen-agers!!!!!!!!!!!!!....c'mon

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On 6/18/2019 at 2:22 PM, Quietguy said:

Am I exploiting them?  

As Stro says capitalism by its very nature is exploitive.

Perhaps the lady who works in a 100 baht Buakhao foot massage joint is being exploited?

Or the Cambodian garment workers who are fighting to make $177 a month?

Is sex morally wrong and deserves a special category?

So how could we avoid exploitation?

I reckon we could double what we pay them and it would still be exploitation.

If it were triple then we would just go to the Philippines  and exploit there.

In an ideal world there wouldn't be such income disparity between countries.  But the unholy alliance of neo-imperialists and corrupt local politicians limits opportunity for much of the population. 

No easy answers here.

Of course if no money were involved our ladyboys would much rather go with a young Thai guy. I remember one night a garbage truck rolled past Famous Bar and the Famous Girls went gaga over the garbagemen.

But I don't think it is as easy as we might think for ladyboys to find the Thai partner of her choice unless she is supporting him.

So being young, horny, and full of cum, if she can find a farang sex partner who she doesn't find repulsive  then she can get paid and laid then she might think she is doing well for herself if she is the promiscuous type.

If not the promiscuous type she can work in a tourist area and keep her eyes peeled for her rusty knight in shining armour.

 

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15 hours ago, strocube said:

Then again, capitalism by its very nature is exploitive. 

Absolutely correct.

1 hour ago, Sustra4 said:

i'm 52 too....hey....nowadays at 52 we are teen-agers!!!!!!!!!!!!!....c'mon

Haha :biggrin: Good for you , sustra.

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I'm 68 next week.:sad:

I reckon I'll still be going to los for at least the next two years. Maybe give up when I reach 70.

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I do agree that third-world hookers are being exploited by Western, and increasingly Indian, African, and Chinese guys. And I find it laughable when I speak to Western fellas who get so enraged about the perceived social injustice in the West yet feel no guilt when shagging the arse off a teenage street urchin in Pattaya.

But, I would say that exploitation is much, much less than others would have you think. Let's face it, it's a fantastic story to spin for a hooker. It really elicits sympathy. 99% of hookers will tell you they don't like to do it with other guys but they need the money.  That's exploitation of a hooker. However, they really like having sex with you for money. That's exploitation of a customer.

 

Capitalism by its very nature is exploitative. That's a cop-out. Humanity by its very nature is exploitative.

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2 hours ago, redrockrevival said:

Capitalism by its very nature is exploitative. That's a cop-out. Humanity by its very nature is exploitative.

I agree with the first, not the latter. Nothing wrong with humanity.

Its not only westerners of course, the domestic sextrade in Thailand you won't see in Pattaya, but guess who's buying the young ass  in the sticks of Issan. Its somchai, the uncle.

Btw, the human trafficking of young eastern girls by Russian and Albanian mafia here and on the continent is real and brutal. No one have any numbers or statistics, but when they bust these sweatshops with some 20 young girls living and "working" in the same house, serving up to 10 johns a day its hard to argue they do it because they like it.

 

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10 hours ago, bumblebee said:

Because of old age or the shit exchange rate. :obscene:  

Actually I will still probably be going to los as long as I'm still mobile. I really hate the short dark cold days of winter in London and need some sun in January/February.

It might be easier to go to somewhere closer like the Canary Isles, but I don't think I'd fit in with the other elderly Brits spending the winter there. I'd rather take the long flight to los for the company of friendly ladyboys.

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7 hours ago, seven said:

I agree with the first, not the latter. Nothing wrong with humanity.

Its not only westerners of course, the domestic sextrade in Thailand you won't see in Pattaya, but guess who's buying the young ass  in the sticks of Issan. Its somchai, the uncle.

Btw, the human trafficking of young eastern girls by Russian and Albanian mafia here and on the continent is real and brutal. No one have any numbers or statistics, but when they bust these sweatshops with some 20 young girls living and "working" in the same house, serving up to 10 johns a day its hard to argue they do it because they like it.

 

I still don't see how that can be blamed on capitalism. It's obviously human nature. The sex trade's  been going on for very long time.

It seems you don't want to take responsibility for your own actions. Don't have sex with young, desperate prostitutes in Southeast Asia if you feel that way.

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when you work like a dog...and you want to send a present via western union to a ladyboy you felt in love with..and the receiver account looks as blocked temporarily as she received too much money...( blaming starvation ) only then..you understand that capitalism or socialism are nonsense when you talk about prostitution....i've seen prostitutes also in Nicaragua, Cuba and Russia in the 80's.. i wasn't alive at those times but also in the ancient Rome

A prostitute sentence " why should i have a decent job for 1.200 when i can earn the same amount having fun and drinking champagne in 2 day's work?"

there is sure exploitation on some of them....but if you start listening to them..it's over...what should they say? i make prostitution because of money...or...i was forced by society to be a prostitute? what would you say...victimism is the first way to give excuses

false like Judas...cunning as a fox...it is good to lie in bed...waiting to say i love you i miss you.....400 Bath a letter

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6 hours ago, redrockrevival said:

I still don't see how that can be blamed on capitalism. It's obviously human nature. The sex trade's  been going on for very long time.

It seems you don't want to take responsibility for your own actions. Don't have sex with young, desperate prostitutes in Southeast Asia if you feel that way.

Maybe you're right about the responsibility. This is more on a philosophical level. Its damn hard to live like one preaches , the reality is always different.

 

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3 hours ago, Sustra4 said:

when you work like a dog...and you want to send a present via western union to a ladyboy you felt in love with..and the receiver account looks as blocked temporarily as she received too much money...( blaming starvation ) only then..you understand that capitalism or socialism are nonsense when you talk about prostitution....i've seen prostitutes also in Nicaragua, Cuba and Russia in the 80's.. i wasn't alive at those times but also in the ancient Rome

A prostitute sentence " why should i have a decent job for 1.200 when i can earn the same amount having fun and drinking champagne in 2 day's work?"

I am sure you are right to some extent, sustra. Human trafficking also exists to some extent. Its not all black and white. There are of course lazy ladymen

who collect serious cash from WU, who never had a hard days work in their life. The trick is , I guess , to be able to tell the honest ones from the scammers.

Given the exchange rate , neither of us should be sending anything to Thailand.:biggrin:

 

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1 hour ago, seven said:

 

Given the exchange rate , neither of us should be sending anything to Thailand.:biggrin:

 

:sign0184:  you are right....thanks for the suggestion

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6 hours ago, seven said:

Maybe you're right about the responsibility. This is more on a philosophical level. Its damn hard to live like one preaches , the reality is always different.

 

Agreed mate.

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15 hours ago, Quietguy said:

Actually I will still probably be going to los as long as I'm still mobile. I really hate the short dark cold days of winter in London and need some sun in January/February.

It might be easier to go to somewhere closer like the Canary Isles, but I don't think I'd fit in with the other elderly Brits spending the winter there. I'd rather take the long flight to los for the company of friendly ladyboys.

Fully agree it’s great to break the winter days with a spell in the land of sunshine.  Throw in some LBs and it’s worth the effort and the ever decreasing shitty exchange rate.  

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