DownLoLarry Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Many people look down on prostitutes. And the men whom frequent them. On this forum, many if not most of our Members indulge in P4P sex. But in the back of our minds, does our cultural upbringing cause us to look askance at ladyboys selling their services? You might say, "not me". But would you like your daughter to be a prostitute? How about your son becoming a gay prostitute. You can have a good wank alone but it tales two to tango. If one considers a prostitute to be sleazy, is the john equally sleazy? Is he same same? Or different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dixon cox Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 In the vast majority of cases I believe the differences between why a prostitute does what she does and why the customer does what he does are totally different. The John is by far the sleazier as he chooses to engage the services due to desire and sexual gratification. The prostitute performs her role as a means to a financial end, usually, not from choice. In some cases, arguably neither are sleazy, as both engage out of need due to circumstances beyond their control. ... interesting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strocube Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 I don't know. There are some "sleazy" working girls and there are some "sleazy" Jhons. Then there are some that are not "sleazy" at all. I don't think that being active in prostitution, either as a sex worker or as a customer is necessarily "sleazy." There are plenty of super "sleazy" people who have nothing whatsoever to do with prostitution. Hell, in some cases, a short p4p encounter is much more honest, upfront and ultimately satisfying, for both parties, than many traditional "relationships." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randiuno Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Some social workers around the P4P scene speak of the 3 Cs of prostitution~ choice, circumstance, and coercion. For those doing it by chioce, they are the same as me since i am part of the transaction by choice and i dont view myself as sleazy, for those doing it by circumstance and coercion...survival is never sleazy to me. Now the more difficult question...am i sleazy if I know my P4P partner is doing it out of circumstance or coercion. Cheers, Randi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth007 Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 @DownLoLarry I vote none are sleazy it`s what we as society as alway`s makes out of it.... I remember two years ago this brave Turkey girl Zoe that was banned from the university of rotterdam and later she went to hide because her own native people wanted to kill her because she said when i am finish with my studie i want to be a professional escort girl and she was looking for beautifull girls that also went to the university to join her.... Everybody came down on her that it was inmoral for you to say that you want to be a escort girl and to give the impression as if been a hooker is oke..... Been a Dj i have come to places that most people will not go to entertain , two years ago i was invited to play at a golden award of the benelux porn industry.... It was a hugh party with the best of the best in the porn industry , well i can tell you if you are a hooker and you use your brain and the money wisely it is a very very well pay and good job..... And why i dont think the john are sleazy , because it`s my dick and my money so i will decide which pussy or pussyass it will barricade next and not the society..... Greetz , Stealth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyzzy Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Surely, the wrath of our lord Jesus Christ will cast both inveterate sinners down into the fiery pits of hell where they will burn for all eternity, so it makes no difference either way... Ahem. Damn that mythical guy sure is vendictive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenW Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 I am more sleazy than any prostitute. I am a long term advocate of the decriminalisation of prostitution. The next step after it's legal is to try to ensure its respectability as work is appreciated (ie the normal benefits of organised employment such as maternity leave, other kinds of leave, fair tax rates, clinics, access to child care, to education, etc.) As to my children being prostitutes, it's hypothetical. But if they sat down and talked with me about it, assuring me about the conditions, bosses, etc., I'd have no worries. Of course I would issue fatherly advice of all sorts for them to ignore. One thing few people seem to realise or recognise, is that the working lives of prostitutes the world over are modally short. Statistically, 10 years is a long term career in the game. If young people can earn a swag based on their youth & beauty, then move on with their savings to the next part of their lives, they go with my blessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4:17 Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Excellent topic (and one near and dear to my heart, obviously). Some good points here, and I would just add to Randuino's that I would never willingly go with someone I thought was being coerced into it. As for circumstances, well better a gentleman like myself than some jerk, yeah? You know, I often joke in my trip reports about loving all my whores -- my courtesans and concubines -- and that they all have hearts of gold. The thing of it is, it's not really a joke. No, I'm not "in love" with them, per se, but then in reality I'm not sure I've ever actually been in love, in the sense that poets (the Shelley-esqe sonnet-writing kind) and Hallmark card writers mean it. But I suppose I love them -- more than a few, anyway -- in the same way that I love my friends. In fact a select few I would even consider good friends in every sense of the word (friends with benefits, heh). And most of them I have found to be warm, kind and all around good human beings. Not all of them, by any means, but a majority, yes -- in all frankness and seriousness. Think about Cindy of Cascades, for example. Or Sonya down in Linda Bar. Call one of them sleazy and I will demand satisfaction, sir. It will be pistols at dawn. One more thing I'll add for you to consider. I met a girl once, about, oh, almost a decade ago now, and it was the last time I was in an emotionally-charged, hot and heavy relationship (this was back home, btw -- non p4p). By this stage in my life, I already knew I wasn't the white-picket-fence type (but I could -- and do -- still fall in love at the drop of a hat), and was completely honest with her about it: I love you but I was born a rambling man, etc. Well turns out she hadn't been quite honest with me. Turns out she was engaged to be married well before our first date; I didn't find out until things got hot and heavy. She eventually confessed that while she loved me, she wanted the stability of marriage, children, etc. -- everything I didn't. So she was marrying a childhood friend, whom she liked well enough, but didn't love, under false pretenses. Now I don't fault her for that; lots of people marry for reasons other than love, after all. Hell, in some cultures it's considered silly to marry for love. My only problem with it was that she wasn't being honest with this dude, tool that he was (oi, was he ever -- I actually met him once -- but then I suppose I was a tad biased), and predicted that eventually she'd find herself in an unhappy situation (time has since proved me right, apparently). So who is more sleazy? The person -- man or woman -- who marries under false pretenses? Who goes out on a date for the meal or the sex all the while professing/feigning romantic interest? Or the prostitute and the john who are honest with each other? As for my kid -- well that's a moot point, heh. But as long as he or she was happy and enjoying their lifestyle and it wasn't (too) self destructive, well then it seems to me that they got the world by the ass on a down-hill pull. Hell I was a bartender -- a legalized drug dealer, essentially -- once upon a time. And I'd be lying if I said I never used that to my advantage in procuring a bed mate. Sleazy? Um, yeah. Fun? Not as much as people think, but yeah. Besides, if my kids were prostitutes they could hook me up with their hot coworkers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beijo Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Here we go again. It's a subject that is very dependant on culture and time. Even in todays time it is looked upon verry differently by Moslems, Asians and us in the west. Even in our western world there are large differences on how this is judged. Just go from South America and Europe to the very narrow mindid US. Historicly, The old Greeks, Romans and Agyptians did see nothing wrong with it, even considered it a service to the gods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiamSam Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 even considered it a service to the gods. Well of course. How could it be seen any other way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randiuno Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Well of course. How could it be seen any other way? Historicly, The old Greeks, Romans and Agyptians did see nothing wrong with it, even considered it a service to the gods. I plan on tithing real soon!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rxpharm Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Personally I think politicians and lawyers are much more sleazy than prostitutes or johns! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beijo Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Politicians and lawyers Hear , Hear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15usdtops Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 id say a john is innocent of his johnery for a longer time then jane of her janery, the john lives in joy n tempory ignorance is bliss over his activities , the jane is usally in janespair from a very earry phase of her janeton ways. in the middle n end id say probally the john is most dirty yet feels cleaner and jane is wealthier yet feels more dirty. ..............unless were talkig about real powerful johns like ceo's, then id say from the fact that very powerful dominat men sometimes need to submit or sucumb and at times take a loaf on the chest , then perhaps the guys is most dirty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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