Talkin About Gurlz With Mates

[Gutsy]

When I say gurlz I'm talking about ladyboys. I don't get a chance to talk about gurlz except on forum or when I'm in LOS.

Being single I tend to hang out more with other single blokes. They know I've been to Thailand about a dozen times, so naturally they ask the question. This usually happens during a drinking session. Most recently me and my mate were trying to talk another mutual mate into making his maiden voyage. It's still a work in progress but we seem to get closer each session.

My other mate has been and subsequently had one he met join him in Oz. He gave her the flick after that, now he is on Philipene GG's. He is keen to go back to LOS if it gets our Thailand virgin over there. His biggest fear seems to be not being able to tell a ladyboy from a GG. He says he would have to rely on me to help him since I'm the veteran of our trio.

Then the discussion turns to him asking if I've ever been with one. "Come on you can tell us. Have you ever been with one?" It's hard to lie so I say "I haven't been with one" A matter of symantics because I've been with several. Lost count to be honest.

The other mate asks me to show us some. Well I'm not about to break out my photo collection, nor am I going to log onto a forum. So I bring up some you tube vids of Ladyboys on the Soi Croc Podiums and Pattaya walking streets. The mate that’s been gets uncomfortable and wants me to look up something else, but I'm on a roll.

Then the other one starts playing the hypothetical game. If you had to do one of these things to live which would you pick. This is a game often played at our poker games in the wee morning during odd breaks. The first options include an open mouth golden shower from a man, or the same from this narley obese girl we all know to being with a ladyboy for a whole night. I was the only one of the 3 to pick the ladyboy option.

It gets more specific a celebrity male pissing in your mouth and you can't profit from a tell all book after. Our celebrity turned out to be Wayne Bennet a famous Rugby League Coach. The nasty GG stays the same but the victim has to eat her pussy first. The night with ladyboy now entails you taking it up the ass from her. A fourth option is added. Basically a six shooter with one bullet playing Russian Roulette essentially.

I stay the ladyboy course to their amazement, They both pick the gun. We add a 5th option in that you can choose to point the gun at a mate and fire. It's one of these options or die yourself. I stay on the LB and one mate takes the gun while a third chooses to point it at someone else.

Pretty drunk at this stage, but I get the dice out and we test it just for fun. the one mate killed one of us three times in a row when the number he picked came up.

Anyway I'm sure many of you out there have been asked about the dreaded ladyboy. probably some more interesting discussions than mine. Would enjoy hearing how others skirt the topic or actually go down that road.

[bumblebee]

Thanks for the topic Gutsybastard. After my initial trip, one of my mates asked me what did I get up to. I had been cagey up to this point, but he had been fishing for a few weeks for something juicy. He had a short 2 week trip in Pattaya with his local team under his belt, so he knew how naughty Los was.

So on this occasion, he turns to me and says "Go on, how many did you shag? (GGs he meant). I said Gary, I'm not really into shagging I much prefer a good blow job. He rubs his hands with glee knowing I am finally going to give him some juice. I replied "Yeah I really love blow jobs, I gave about 6 of them while I was there."

He fell about laughing thinking I was joking and said "Would ya fook off." This was the end of his fishing for info.

Nowadays most of my close mates know I hang around with LBs while in Los and Cambodia. A bit like having gay friends, they just don't ask about the details.

[DownLoLarry]

"I haven't been with one" A matter of symantics because I've been with several. Lost count to be honest.

I stay the ladyboy course to their amazement, They both pick the gun.

Would enjoy hearing how others skirt the topic or actually go down that road.

Great post Gutsy!

Welcome aboard!

I remember on the Howard Stern show the question was put to some guy and and he rather have sex with a dog than a man. But what if the dog is male? Does that matter?

I think most have conflicting desires to be open and honest about ourselves but also don't want our privacy invaded.

What goes on in Thailand stays in Thailand is not a bad approach. But gets tricky when travelling with str8 mates.

[xrayspecs]

If I know someone reasonable well then I'm honest about what I get up to.

Where I work there are only four other people I work with at the moment and three of them know I go with ladyboys, the forth hasn't been their long so it hasn't cropped up yet.

One of them is my boss, he's always interested in sex and perverted stuff (like Kylie Minogue peeing on him lol) so I had no problem telling him - he has since said he wouldn't mind trying one himself and he even gave me a link for a lb escort website so he'd obviously been googling the subject.

The second is a young bloke I've always got on with well. Before I went to Thailand we'd both been to see prostitutes and had talked openly about the subject. He still states LBs are not for him but I've even told him everything I've done (swallowing, being topped etc) and it hasn't changed our friendship at all.

The third guy is a bit weird and I don't know if he's even had sex before. He's homophobic, racist, against everyone actually so he'll not like it but to be honest I couldn't give a shit what he thinks of me.

Since I told them things are just the same at work as they ever were.

Someone else I know mentioned to me he'd seen some ladyboy porn so I told him I'd been with some. Again, no problem.

What's really nice about a forum such as this however is we know we all like-minded and can immediately be open about our sexuality and desires. When I'm not in Thailand I know I can drop by here are read other peoples posts and feel comfortable that I'm not alone in my love of ladyboys.

Basically I'm not going to go around shouting about it but if it comes up in conversation with people I know well then I'm honest. I feel there's a certain stigma associated with the subject but this is not going to get any better if people hide the fact. If it's always going to be our 'dirty secret' then it will always be looked at as odd.

Homosexuality used to be something people were judged harshly about but with it being more out in the open for years it is steadily becoming more acceptable and not something to hide.

Apologies for going on too long lol, be well :)

[bumblebee]

No reason for apologies at all Xrayspecs, a good read of a post. As you say above, a forum with like minded guys is a great relief when you want to chat to someone about this subject.

[redrock]

I shared a flat with a mate of mine for 6 years and I can never remember talking about fucking trannies. After my first trip to Pattaya I came home and my mate - now staying at a different gaff - asked me if I'd had a pop at a ladyboy. I told him I had and it was fucking excellent, what do you make of that? He said, well done. You took your fucking time though. I've been shagging them for years!

Turned out he was way ahead of the game. Humping transexual escorts in Edinburgh and Glasgow. You could have knocked me over with a feather!

[SiamSam]

Yup, one ever knows nor should one ever assume anything about anyone.

On the other hand you need to be careful as to who you divulge your secrets. People are people and everyone is limited in their own way. Even us who think we are open and liberated because we can enjoy the delights of the third sex. My feeling is, if you feel the need to open up, then do it with the ones who you know love you. As such they will not judge (too harshly) and certainly not punish. If you open up to others, be careful. You will be vulnerable to their prejudices, hang-ups, limitations, religion, politics, et cetera especially if they are in a position of power over your welfare. Tread lightly and carefully. The younger you are the more vulnerable you are. Be smart.

[deepthroat]

Great posts.

I've carefully guarded my "forbidden love" from everyone - families, friends, co-workers. I've never even admitted to being with GG hookers in LOS, as I've wanted to retain the air of plausible deniability about my private affairs. There is still a nasty puritanical/red neck baptist streak that runs through a large part of our populace. Evangelical Christians are amongst the most backwards thinking people on the face of the earth, and they are rampant here.

So, I've been very very quiet about my activities. I'm going to LOS once a year for the beaches and food. No one asks me why I travel 30 hours for beaches and food, and for that I'm grateful. I know a portion of my circle must strongly suspect, but I refuse to give them any ammunition.

This last year though, I ran into a buddy of mine from the states who was living over there, and in our initial conversation I actually divulged that I was spending a portion of my time with ladyboys. He was intrigued and continued to bring it up in every conversation. I eventually invited him to hang with me and he ended up spending an evening in Famous and having a blast. Then he and his thai teelak spent a couple days in BKK with me and the three of us spent an evening in Cascades, Temptations, and then he and I finished the evening in Guess before he returned to his room to meet up again with the teelak.

He also spent a bunch of his time during my trip helping me with some issues related to a thai gg that i've referred to elsewhere as MY telak, so he does know that I split my time fairly evenly between the GG and LB, but have only been involved in anything remotely long-term with a GG.

He's returning to Spokane very soon (I actually wired him the $$$ for his airfare as he's nearly broke) and we have plenty of mutual friends. I'm not going to go out of my way to share my secret, but on the other hand... I really don't care that strongly. If he does blab, I'll be more angry about him breaking my confidence than I will at the realization that some friends know I've fucked a ladyboy. If they're truly friends, it won't really matter much.

So... I'm still guarding my LB anonymity, but am not overly concerned with a breach in the security perimeter.

[johnlbx]

When considering whether to tell my friends of my unusual interest I always think of the saying: "You can't unring a bell".

And that has kept me from ringing that particular bell.

I enjoy going out with my friends searching for GG company (as I like GG's as well) and based on their comments about ladyboys they seem to be at the "they're just boys with dresses" level of understanding. So unless they try some LBs for themselves they will never understand my attraction to them.

I know it's going to come out eventually (I've already had a few close calls as LBs I've known are all over Pattaya now) and when it does that's fine. I won't deny it. However there's nothing really to be gained by rushing it as I see it.

[Gutsy]

It's good to hear others conversation when our own come up. I knew I couldn't be alone in these type of discussions.

I enjoy going out with my friends searching for GG company (as I like GG's as well) and based on their comments about ladyboys they seem to be at the "they're just boys with dresses" level of understanding. So unless they try some LBs for themselves they will never understand my attraction to them.

I know it's going to come out eventually (I've already had a few close calls as LBs I've known are all over Pattaya now) and when it does that's fine. I won't deny it. However there's nothing really to be gained by rushing it as I see it.

My friends have made similar comments as yours Johnlbx. He-shes,chix with dix, sheman...... Just wanted to add to my OP that when I was showing my mates youtube videos one of my mates caught me referring to one as her and she. "It's a man not a she!" I defended the gurlz saying that isn't a man or a woman.

I don't see any benefit either in coming out. I hope to keep the topic more about ladyboys coming up in discussions with our mates rather than coming out so to speak.

[Guest Fiedollah]

i get called ladyboy at work everyday

[Jimslim]

Great posts.

Evangelical Christians are amongst the most backwards thinking people on the face of the earth

Amen to that brother DT , not a lot of love for thy neigbour but a whole lot of judgement .

I find most people just fit into stereotypes when talking about Thailand IE - the place is full of prostitutes so hence you must go to visit prostitutes .

There are a lot of ladyboys about so hence on the law of averages you are bound to have gone with one by mistake .

The best form of defence is attack friends , admit everything and they won't believe you .