Godspeed Glen Campbell

[Luung]

Adolf had recently signed a non aggression treaty with Stalin too, then he goes ahead and breaks it. He wasted his best army in his vain attempt to take Stalingrad. Lack of oil already was costing them in North Africa, so one would think the comparative ease in which they could have taken those oil fields...what a fool. Hitler didn't know or accept his limitations and would have been well served to let any number of his fine generals run the military.

If you want to see what is IMO the best movie depicting the Eastern Front in WWII, watch Cross of Iron. Easily a top ten overall WWII film for that matter, at least IMO. The opening credits of the movie is almost worth watching just by itself.

Recently watched too Enemy At The Gates. Got me to reading about Russian snipers. They had a good many superb snipers during the war, and many of them were women. We think we are being progressive in the USA these days with women in combat units, but the Russians were 60 some years ahead of us. Many of the women were not conscripts either, but volunteers.

Funny you mention North Africa... the old Desert Fox, Field Marshal Rommel would have been the ideal leader for any concerted incursion into the East, preferably the oil fields, of course & especially with his MO of rapid advancement & fast attack, but Hitler could never see any of Rommel's visions & he'd have also told Hitler not to do it too!... Anyway historians still contrast Rommel's withdrawal to Tunisia against Hitler's wishes with Friedrich Paulus's obedience of orders to have the German Sixth Army stand its ground at the Battle of Stalingrad!.. Speaks for itself.

Rommel fought on every front except the Eastern front, yet he was the one bloke who should have had a say in movements & strategies within that region.

Rommel was respected by both his troops & the allies, but never his own leadership... Isn't it amazing about the suicide pact that Rommel made with Hitler to save his family's face after he'd been caught in the conspiracy against him!

I'm going to watch 'the Iron Cross' tonight Lefty & I'm downloading 'Enemy at the Gate' at the mo, here's 2 for you to download 'Desert Fox' & 'Desert Rat' both staring James Mason!

[Lefty]

Funny you mention North Africa... the old Desert Fox, Field Marshal Rommel would have been the ideal leader for any concerted incursion into the East, preferably the oil fields, of course & especially with his MO of rapid advancement & fast attack, but Hitler could never see any of Rommel's visions & he'd have also told Hitler not to do it too!... Anyway historians still contrast Rommel's withdrawal to Tunisia against Hitler's wishes with Friedrich Paulus's obedience of orders to have the German Sixth Army stand its ground at the Battle of Stalingrad!.. Speaks for itself.

Rommel fought on every front except the Eastern front, yet he was the one bloke who should have had a say in movements & strategies within that region.

Rommel was respected by both his troops & the allies, but never his own leadership... Isn't it amazing about the suicide pact that Rommel made with Hitler to save his family's face after he'd been caught in the conspiracy against him!

I'm going to watch 'the Iron Cross' tonight Lefty & I'm downloading 'Enemy at the Gate' at the mo, here's 2 for you to download 'Desert Fox' & 'Desert Rat' both staring James Mason!

Interesting coincidence, Mason has a supporting role in Cross of Iron.

I kind of felt bad for Paulus, his wish was to surrender once all hope for any logical person was lost, but Hitler forbade it. Goring was an idiot and gave Hitler bad information as to how well the Luftwaffe could support the soldiers trapped in Stalingrad.

If he had done so when the Russians first offered it, likely more soldiers would have survived. Hitler promoted him to Field Marshall because he felt then Paulus would kill himself before he'd surrender. Finally he surrendered anyway. After being in captivity he made the comment that he wasn't going to kill himself for that "bohemian corporal."

Paulus and Manstein both seemed like competent leaders, just the egomaniac Hitler wouldn't listen to them as pertains to Russia.

Rommel was a fine military strategist, far as I can tell. He wasn't perfect in N Africa but his main problem was the supplies could not keep up with him. He wasn't able to capture Tobruk, which was something the Germans considered very important.

[pacman]

Rommel couldn't capture Tobruk because he came up against a desperate fighting force - the Rats of Tobruk. They adopted the name after the Germans described them as being 'like rats in a trap'.

Their effort in warding off the might of the German war machine despite being outmanned, outgunned & outsupplied is one of the greatest stories of World War II. Many Australians fought to the death in that campaign. None survive today but while they lived, their reputation won them respect everywhere.

What has all this to do with Glen Campbell BTW? I love how these threads finish up a million miles from where they started...

[Lefty]

All very nice and all that this history lesson but what the fuck has Rommel to do with Glen Campbell being a decent singer and a shit actor, I might start looking at Wikipedia and do some fact posting on 2nd thoughts Im in LOS with to much vodka waiting for me to drink it and to many other distractions to bother my arse.

Why is it every thread turns into a pissing contest on who can spew forth the most mind numbing stream of facts let it be on any subject, for fuck sake guys lighten up and try having some fun for once.

Lung and I are having fun talking about this stuff. It isn't a pissing contest for me and I'm pretty sure it is not for him either.

I guess we need to go to PMs so not to offend anyone else's sensibilities?

BTW, Only movie I ever saw Campbell in was True Grit and I think he did just fine. So he didn't get into any great philosophical oratory, big deal. He was playing a Texas Ranger, not Plato, Aristotle or Mark Antony

[williethepimp]

Rommel couldn't capture Tobruk because he came up against a desperate fighting force - the Rats of Tobruk. They adopted the name after the Germans described them as being 'like rats in a trap'.

Their effort in warding off the might of the German war machine despite being outmanned, outgunned & outsupplied is one of the greatest stories of World War II. Many Australians fought to the death in that campaign. None survive today but while they lived, their reputation won them respect everywhere.

What has all this to do with Glen Campbell BTW? I love how these threads finish up a million miles from where they started...

What is never,well ,almost never mentioned is the fact the enigma code had been broken by that time and all Rommel's communication had been compromised.Obviously it could never be disclosed,so Montgomery got all the credit for the routing of Rommel,when in fact allied intel beat him.(my old man was at el alamein,he didnt have much time for Monty tho'.

[Lefty]

fuck sake lefty why dont you go and have a sense of humour transplant, its not a matter of offending sensibility if you want talk about war then start a thread by all means .

Excuse me then for not realizing this comment by you was meant to be a joke. Perhaps you may believe me to be obtuse.

Why is it every thread turns into a pissing contest on who can spew forth the most mind numbing stream of facts let it be on any subject, for fuck sake guys lighten up and try having some fun for once.

So you were just kidding around when you said that. Ok. Sometimes joking and seriousness are hard to differentiate on the internet.

[Lefty]

What is never,well ,almost never mentioned is the fact the enigma code had been broken by that time and all Rommel's communication had been compromised.Obviously it could never be disclosed,so Montgomery got all the credit for the routing of Rommel,when in fact allied intel beat him.(my old man was at el alamein,he didnt have much time for Monty tho'.

As for Monty, any commander who cares about the sexual well being of his men cannot be all bad.

Montgomery stirred up the resentment of his superiors for his arrogance and dictatorial ways, and also for his disregard of convention when it obstructed military effectiveness. For example, he set up a battalion brothel in Tripoli, Libya during the Second World War, regularly inspected by the medical officer, for the 'horizontal refreshment' of his soldiers rather than forcing them to take chances in unregulated establishments. He was quoted as saying that his men "deserved it".

[Luung]

Rommel couldn't capture Tobruk because he came up against a desperate fighting force - the Rats of Tobruk. They adopted the name after the Germans described them as being 'like rats in a trap'.Their effort in warding off the might of the German war machine despite being out manned, outgunned & out supplied is one of the greatest stories of World War II. Many Australians fought to the death in that campaign. None survive today but while they lived, their reputation won them respect everywhere. What has all this to do with Glen Campbell BTW? I love how these threads finish up a million miles from where they started...

Packers, Glen Campbell's dead mate.

And anyway, you're off topic with us now... That's how easy it is.

I don't know about both battles of Tubrook, but yeah, I know well that the Aussies along with other commonwealth forces were incredibly courageous in the first battle when holding onto the place with one only one British tank division under incredible onslaught until British & the Eastern European contingent's reinforcements arrived

All very nice and all that this history lesson but what the fuck has Rommel to do with Glen Campbell being a decent singer and a shit actor, I might start looking at Wikipedia and do some fact posting on 2nd thoughts I'm in LOS with to much vodka waiting for me to drink it and to many other distractions to bother my arse.Why is it every thread turns into a pissing contest on who can spew forth the most mind numbing stream of facts let it be on any subject, for fuck sake guys lighten up and try having some fun for once.

I think Lefty's been ever so polite with you Hound... Myself, I'm not going to bother, "FUCK OFF"!.. How dare you make that 'Wikkie' implication, go wash your mouth out!

And BTW, I'm not the pissing contest type, I know how big my bollocks are so I don't really feel the need to do that stuff... And I've been into both WW1 & WW2 since I was a kid, anyway!

I'm sorry if my posts aren't quite brisk enough for some of our avid readers, but you really don't have to read them... Hope you're drinking alone.

Lung and I are having fun talking about this stuff. It isn't a pissing contest for me and I'm pretty sure it is not for him either. I guess we need to go to PMs so not to offend anyone else's sensibilities?

Quite right Lefty, I find our WW2 discussions fun, informative & entertaining & as such I very much look forward to them. I'm anticipating renewing our conversations on weaponry soon!

Anyway, watched Iron Cross last night, I'd seen it a couple of times before & it was well worth doing again, I loved it!.. And those opening sequences with the little girl singing, you just know you're getting prepped for one of the best anti war films of all time! 2 hrs, 5 mins of solid captivation in an unusual war film which is reliant as much on dialog as gruesome action, very untypical of its time, a great choice Lefty!.. And talking about American actors that I do admire, WOW, didn't James Coburn steal the show man, that was him at his very best in a serious, forthright view from the other side of the conflict. I thought it was Pechinpaw at his best too, a real human story handled & crafted with both care & impact!

If you like gritty stories from the other perspective then do yourself a favour & see if you can download 'Das Boat'... Do both the film & the TV series, I think you'll love em', I did!

What is never,well ,almost never mentioned is the fact the enigma code had been broken by that time and all Rommel's communication had been compromised.Obviously it could never be disclosed,so Montgomery got all the credit for the routing of Rommel,when in fact allied intel beat him.(my old man was at el alamein,he didn't have much time for Monty tho'.

Interesting point Willy, I remember you mentioned your dad was an Irish volunteer in North Affrica... And I agree with you, contrary to what most think, Monty wasn't held in very high esteem by his troops, he seems to have been an incredibly abrasive & unpleasant man.

Anyway Willy, I think the site's real Mr. Angry has just stepped forward?

[williethepimp]

Interesting point Willy, I remember you mentioned your dad was an Irish volunteer in North Affric... And I agree with you, contrary to what most think, Monty wasn't held in very high esteem by his troops, he seems to have been an incredibly abrasive & unpleasant man.

Yes I think that Monty was better thought of by himself than he was by his men.

I quite like the way threads can sometimes meatamorphosize into something else...ie glen campbell is dead into film and ww2....I think we said all there was to about GC anyway....

What I love about this forum is it also educates me(as well as tittilates and makes me laugh)...eg,I now know a lot more about both glen campbell and john wayne than i did when the thread started....

I never use wikipedia (unless its to check a fact).Yes Lung,my da was in N.Africa and also at the Salerno landings,and the aftermath at monte casino.....He saw a lot but never talked about it...we would glean snippets of information from him occasionally and collate them in our heads(my siblings and I).He never stereotyped the Italians or Germans,and always said the Italians were good troops ,but had no equipment....and he spoke very highly of the German prisoners he guarded,saying how dignified and well mannered they were.

He always said the Americans were the best equipped and best fed ,as one of his main problems in the war was getting enough to eat!

[Lefty]

Lung why dont you fuck off, who the fuck do you think you are, no cunt can disagree with you, well get fucked why dont you start a thread for you all old boring cunts so us who still know how to live dont bother our ass reading.

I wont say fuck all else as you and Lefty between you have totally fucked the thread, well done.

Well Mr Thread Policeman, neither Lung or myself were the first one to make a post in this thread that failed to mention Campbell at all. Go look at the source if you want to lay blame.

Maybe you can share with us "how to live" since you believe it's eluded our grasp.

[pdogg]

Me and PDogg were talking about another song, a cover, not a remix, and he likes the cover by Ike and Tina Turner, or Tina alone, better, and I cringe at the thought. Personal preference that's all it is. I forget the song at the moment...oh yeah, Proud Mary by CCR.

I'm not a purist. I don't think originals are sacred....there's lots of arrangements that work and sometimes I prefer cover versions.

I think many songs are better if it's speeded up 10% to 15%. I used to have some program on my old computer that could do this.

Re the Duke....he's good playing the strong silent type but think he has limited range as an actor. Doesn't really bother me though if actors aren't overly versatile as long as they're cast correctly.

But it's a pleasant surprise when an actor excels at a totally different role than he normally plays. Sean Penn's portrayal of Harvey Milk comes to mind in that category.

[Lefty]

I'm not a purist. I don't think originals are sacred....there's lots of arrangements that work and sometimes I prefer cover versions.

I think many songs are better if it's speeded up 10% to 15%. I used to have some program on my old computer that could do this.

Re the Duke....he's good playing the strong silent type but think he has limited range as an actor. Doesn't really bother me though if actors aren't overly versatile as long as they're cast correctly.

But it's a pleasant surprise when an actor excels at a totally different role than he normally plays. Sean Penn's portrayal of Harvey Milk comes to mind in that category.

Penn has to be one of most versatile actors working these days. He can seamlessly go from roles like Milk, to 1st Sgt Welch in The Thin Red Line, to the psychotic Sgt. Tony Meserve in Casualties of War, to the unfortunate drifter Bobby Cooper in the quirky and unusual U-Turn. He may well be the most gifted and talented leading actor working today, though I think our buddy Kahuna would vote for Johnny Depp.

[Mr. Nasty]

Lung why dont you fuck off, who the fuck do you think you are, no cunt can disagree with you, well get fucked why dont you start a thread for you all old boring cunts so us who still know how to live dont bother our ass reading.

I wont say fuck all else as you and Lefty between you have totally fucked the thread, well done.

:lolu: :lolu: :lolu: :lolu: :lolu: :lolu: :lolu:

Glen Campbell must be turning in his grave right now, I'm sure.

How many threads have you fucked BTW?

Lung has FM's disagree with him nearly every other day, so you obviously don't read his posts, but I can't blame you for that, neither do I, I'm a cat.. Anyway, the last time Lung disagreed with Lefty he did do a little Wikkie research (Why not, just to see if his facts were correct) & then just politely let Lefty have the argument, he even offered a full written retraction, how's that; they disagree a lot, but never a bad word between them!

He let's Siam Sam tell him to, "Shut the fuck up"! Whenever he wants too!

He squabbles with Willy on a regular basis as well... And that's always settled amenably & in good humor, I personally enjoy reading their encounters myself, finding them light, airy & refreshing morning read's... Whenever I can get to the computer that is!

And what's more Lung has never thrown the first the first blow yet!

I've seen the photographic evidence now & if anyone looks like an old cunt it's you (could you please stop using that word BTW)... And I think Lung's a bit older than you too!

And Lung doesn't think he's anyone, he doesn't have to!.. He loves small defenseless cuddly animals like me & he sticks up for them too... He's not cruel & he doesn't shoot at them like you do!

Anyway, you've upset me now so I'm going off to have some milk... And maybe a little spay, I've heard ladyboys do that as well! :hair:

[Lefty]

Glen is not dead Uncle Lung, btw. He just has Alzheimer's

[Luung]

I will call anyone what I want ,when I want, like anyone can call me anything ,it bounces off, if i want to call someone a cunt ,I will call them a cunt and you and no other fucker will tell me what I can say and what I cant say.

Oh for Christ sake give it a rest 'Sparticus'... Go & enjoy your holiday! :nurse:

I was being totally facetious & I don't think my language is that far behind yours anyway. Look, I'd defend your right to say what you want & words like 'cunt' & 'fuck' aren't in the language for nothing, there is a place & use for them in many different contexts otherwise they wouldn't be there.

I may be reconsidering where my line is drawn as to what is appropriate or not, especially has I feel it's a prudent idea to keep one eye open as to how a newbie posting for the first time may view a lot of this stuff that we spew out; but you set your line wherever you want to, that's your prerogative & I'd defend that too.

At any rate, I think it's PDogg who sets the parameters around here with regard to what we can or can't call one another.

[Luung]

Glen is not dead Uncle Lung, btw. He just has Alzheimer's

Oh fuck no!... This is worse than when I called John Fogerty, Dan Fogarty!.. And what's Hefe going to think when he comes back & looks at this lot?.. Oh God, no!

Oh shit, shit, shit, shit, shit!!! I don't even know how I got on this thread???

I don't even like Glen Campbell, but I am ever so sorry to hear that he's got Alzheimer's, he's always struck me as a really lovely man if nothing else.

Anyway, bye bye all & sorry for the inconvenience & trouble I've caused here.

Oh man, this is fucked!

[dixon cox]

I quite like the way threads can sometimes meatamorphosize into something else...

Me too, I think it's called something like "natural conversation".

"Glen Campbell" (just thought I ought to mention him) is someone I've only heard of (I wouldn't recognise him even if he was in a crowd of one), so I never thought to look inside this thread, but I'm glad I peeked.

Even though some of the off-topic and in-depth WW1 & WW2 talk is out of my interest zone I still found myself reading it, or at least skimming through it.

The best bit about threads like this is where someone starts to sulk and gets stroppy 'cos it's going/gone off-topic and a dummy gets ejected, excellent!

It's now more entertaining than ever, keep it up :lol:

Penn has to be one of most versatile actors working these days...

I totally agree, Sean Penn is outstanding.

[williethepimp]

Penn has to be one of most versatile actors working these days. He can seamlessly go from roles like Milk, to 1st Sgt Welch in The Thin Red Line, to the psychotic Sgt. Tony Meserve in Casualties of War, to the unfortunate drifter Bobby Cooper in the quirky and unusual U-Turn. He may well be the most gifted and talented leading actor working today, though I think our buddy Kahuna would vote for Johnny Depp.

Sean Penn...very underrated actor-stunning performance in "Dead man walking"-U-Turn was a great film Lefty-tho'very few seem to have seen it....

Glen is not dead Uncle Lung, btw. He just has Alzheimer's

They say having Alzheimers is like being famous.......everybody knows who you are,but you don't know who they are....555(apologies)

Any way......blessed are the cheesemakers

C'mon Lefty,which film is that from...too easy?

[Lefty]

Oh fuck no!... This is worse than when I called John Fogerty, Dan Fogarty!.. And what's Hefe going to think when he comes back & looks at this lot?.. Oh God, no!

Oh shit, shit, shit, shit, shit!!! I don't even know how I got on this thread???

I don't even like Glen Campbell, but I am ever so sorry to hear that he's got Alzheimer's, he's always struck me as a really lovely man if nothing else.

Anyway, bye bye all & sorry for the inconvenience & trouble I've caused here.

Oh man, this is fucked!

Sorry Lung, but we are programmed to receive. You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave! :D

[Lefty]

Sean Penn...very underrated actor-stunning performance in "Dead man walking"-U-Turn was a great film Lefty-tho'very few seem to have seen it....

They say having Alzheimers is like being famous.......everybody knows who you are,but you don't know who they are....555(apologies)

Any way......blessed are the cheesemakers

C'mon Lefty,which film is that from...too easy?

U-Turn is totally my kind of film. Not typical Stone fare, refreshingly so. I've seen it several times. Highly recommend it. I found it last year, totally by accident. In Phils many of the bootleg DVDs are compilations. I bought one that was like 15 JLo movies. It happened to be one. So, I just decided to watch it one quiet evening and I was hooked.

Last year, Kahuna recommended In Bruges to me. He was raving about it. Up in Tukcom we were browsing DVDs and being the sweet and kind person he is, Kahuna spotted it first in a different store than the one I was in, and bought it and just gave it to me. He was 100% spot on about In Bruges, so my suggestion back to him was U-Turn, though I ain't found a single copy of it yet in LOS.

Life of Brian.

Love my Cleese!!! One of the funniest men to ever trod planet Earth.

[Hefe]

In Bruges was pretty good, I enjoyed it..... have to check out U-Turn now, saw Wall Street 2 last night, not bad not great, a little too preachy like a lot of Stone's movies, but also visually nicely done too.

Anyone here seen "A Simple Plan"? "In Bruges" reminds me of it. Small good cast, small heist, things go wrong. Sam Raimi did it before the "Spiderman" movies, but they couldn't be more different.

[Lefty]

I saw A Simple Plan last year. It seemed like it would be Coenesque to me when I read a little on it, and it kind of was. I would rate In Bruges and U-Turn as both more enjoyable, but it is definitely worth seeing at least once. I'll watch about anything with Billy Bob and btw he is great in U-Turn. Also for any fans of him, both Intolerable Cruelty and The Man Who Wasn't There are really good. Also, in The Alamo, Billy Bob does the best job of ever of playing David Crockett.

Hefe, I hope you are not upset with me and Lung for your thread here veering off topic. I think Hound was because he chastised us for it and said bad words too. When I looked back though neither he or I was the first person to make a post that failed to mention Glen, so I hope you understand. If not, you can give me a spanking next you see me and pinch Lung's nipples a little. He likes that I'm told. ;)

[Hefe]

Naahh.... not at all! :) As somebody else said it's interesting to watch a thread take on a life of it's own & twist around just like a real conversation would..... as long as it's not a bunch of ad hominem attacks anyway.

Besides, consider the subject matter, a C&W singer going senile.... not a real crowd pleaser? And on a transvestite appreciation forum as well

I just throw in the odd Glen tune now & then to keep the motif going, I saw the original "True Grit" last night for the first time & can see why he didn't take home an Oscar for it..... Enjoyed the film tho.

Thanks for the tip about Lung's nips, it's a image that I'm trying hard but unsucessfully to forget now: some 50 year old cockney stumbling towards me pulling his shirt up & drooling..... uuughhh

[Lefty]

Naahh.... not at all! :) As somebody else said it's interesting to watch a thread take on a life of it's own & twist around just like a real conversation would..... as long as it's not a bunch of ad hominem attacks anyway.

Besides, consider the subject matter, a C&W singer going senile.... not a real crowd pleaser? And on a transvestite appreciation forum as well

I just throw in the odd Glen tune now & then to keep the motif going, I saw the original "True Grit" last night for the first time & can see why he didn't take home an Oscar for it..... Enjoyed the film tho.

Thanks for the tip about Lung's nips, it's a image that I'm trying hard but unsucessfully to forget now: some 50 year old cockney stumbling towards me pulling his shirt up & drooling..... uuughhh

Oh no worries he does not drool. Maybe bite a little too hard when he feels extra playful and randy. ;)

I guess I'll always be one of the minority who appreciated Glen's acting in TG#1. I mean after all he was playing just a Texas Ranger. No need for any great philosophical speeches.

[Luung]

Hefe, I hope you are not upset with me and Lung for your thread here veering off topic. I think Hound was because he chastised us for it and said bad words too.

you can give me a spanking next you see me and pinch Lung's nipples a little. He likes that I'm told. ;)

Hefe, Oh man, I really don't know what to say? I'm truly sorry, but we have been well admonished for this... Yes, the Hound was harsh!.. Shit you even had a cat walking around your thread for a while there, WTF was that about??

Naahh.... not at all! :) As somebody else said it's interesting to watch a thread take on a life of it's own & twist around just like a real conversation would..... as long as it's not a bunch of ad hominem attacks anyway.Besides, consider the subject matter, a C&W singer going senile.... not a real crowd pleaser? And on a transvestite appreciation forum as well I just throw in the odd Glen tune now & then to keep the motif going, I saw the original "True Grit" last night for the first time & can see why he didn't take home an Oscar for it..... Enjoyed the film tho.Thanks for the tip about Lung's nips, it's a image that I'm trying hard but unsuccessfully to forget now: some 50 year old cockney stumbling towards me pulling his shirt up & drooling..... uuughhh

I think you'd be surprised, I'm quite a sweet little thing actually.

Anyway, I don't really want to be molested by some aging hippie wearing a pair of John Lennon specs either, but if we ever meet, please feel free to viciously pinch whatever you like, I've asked for it & I deserve it!

Loved 'In Bruges, BTW!

PS. Just watched Wattastax... Thanks man! .. you'll be getting a hell of a reply on my thread a little bit later on & feel free to go as off topic as you like

And yeah, I'm a biter :devil: