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It came up in one of the other threads that an Indonesian sissy had refused to be buggered and yet expected to be paid and thus not only denied the punter his intended sex experience but also placed him in the unpleasant position of either paying in full for nothing, or witholding total or partial payment and deal with the confrontation that inevitably would ensue. In this case the pretext was that the punter "was too big" for the sissy's delicate ass, a pretext that has been used on me regularly by both GGs and ladyboys. As well-endowed I may or may not be, I know well that using such pretext is the most diplomatic way of avoiding anal penetration by those who dont enjoy it, and women have been using it on me since my early 20s. It was perhaps the major reason I took interest in ladyboys as the buggery went without saying... I think in my first 6 or 7 years of sissy-mongering with many dozens of them i can only recall 2 denying me their sweet cornhole. Yes there were occasions when I was not erect enough and they could have been more accommodating, but at least they assumed the position. And there were other occasions when they were begging me to be fucked and it was me who not wanting to deal with the condom chose to engage in other forms of sex with them. The first one I remember flat out refusing me her ass was a very attractive ladyboy who worked at Obsessions. In the room when she saw my cock she just got dressed and walked out literally leaving me holding it. She did not ask for any money. She just left. I got dressed and went to Obsessions to demand my barfine money back, but the ladyboy never went back there and as you can imagine the mamasan was not eager to refund me. The compromise reached was for me to take another ladyboy who paid her barfine out of her own pocket after agreeing with me to an LT fee more than I had negotiated with the first sissy. Faces were saved. Then a few years later there was this very attractive ladyboy named Nam at the old Stringfellows and she agreed to come with me LT but once in the room she was perfunctory and I was prepared for her to do a runner on me after I fucked her. Problem was she also did not let me fuck her saying I was "too big." I was hoping she would change her mind once we got going but she wasnt even making an effort to suck me. That's when I told her to just go, but she demanded payment. I kicked her out of the room, but once downstairs she refused to depart and threatened to call the police and we settled on 500 baht. Since then I have accepted just to write it off whenever they refuse to be buggered and get some value for my money by doing as much oral as I can and TAKE AS MANY PICS AS I CAN. Out of the question they fucking me if they don't let me do it to them. And if things reach that point the chemistry is ruined and hostile enough for me NOT wanting to do anything with them, let alone LT with them. What about other BMs: How do you feel if they don't let you or are too tight for penetration? Does it ruin the experience? What other forms of sex do you settle for? Do you pay them in full ? Here are some pics of Nam I managed to take. Apparently she did not even get naked before I called it off.

Taken from another forum.... Posted Wednesday at 18:27 Originally posted in the BKK forum. Please note: this is overly long and over-sentimental, but I have been struggling with the sad news and so find it cathartic to write a bit about our favourite BKK LB bar landlord. I first met Iain in Nov-18 at the old WN20. I'd read about him on the forum and so walked in and said "jou ma se poes." (it's a strange phrase as translated from Afrikaans it literally means 'your mother is a CU Next Tuesday'. It can be taken two ways - fighting words, or a term of endearment!). Luckily, Iain (who called himself Poes from his days in SA) took it the way it was meant and we had the first of many, many piss ups that night. I don't think the LB I was with was too impressed, but that's another story. Over the course of our friendship I learnt that there were a lot of parallels. Both of us had spent our early childhoods in the Far East, with fathers in the HM Forces. We both spent time in UK boarding schools and had a lot of laughs over some of the antics that we got up to during those days. When he moved to Cape Town he worked as the Head Chef at a well known seafood restaurant that I frequented 1-2 times a month with punters. The biggest laugh we had over that was when I discovered he hated seafood and would never eat it! (Come to think about it, for somebody in the hospitality industry, he was a very picky eater and wouldn't touch any spicy food either, which was probably a challenge living in the LOS!) After his divorce, (he has an ex-wife and 2 sons in Pretoria), he worked all over the world and spent time in West Africa and the Middle East, two regions I know very well. As part of his fearless nature, he worked in Iraq on a military base, which took a lot of balls. He was in Equatorial Guinea for a number of years (a real example of a tyrantasaurus dictatorship of a country) and met the famous mercenary Simon Mann, who had led an unsuccessful coup, had been jailed for a few years and then was released to head up the President's security! (This is a great example of a term used in Africa very frequently - 'TAB' (that's Africa baby). The best translation would be "you couldn't make this shit up!"). Poes made his 'boat drinks' money in Abu Dhabi, where he managed the concessions for the offshore oil drilling. That's when he started to visit the LOS and originally used to frequent Phuket and drink at Cocktails and Dreams, owned by @jimbo. It was at a fateful event in 2013 that his life changed and he met Nam at the Ladyboy Beach Volleyball Tournament in Pattaya. They were inseparable ever after and for the first few years Iain would fly over from AD for 4 weeks (he was working 6 weeks offshore and 4 weeks off) and see her. Iain then made the plunge and moved to the LOS, I told you he was fearless! Him and Nam first had a business selling online vapes and it became so successful it took them over the radar with the powers that be and so it was closed down. The next venture was WN20 and as I mentioned this where many of us first met them. WN20 is probably looked back very fondly by any of us, as it was a true den of iniquity and endless fun! I am sure that theses pages could be filled by many, many stories of the good times that we all had there. For me two of the highlights were the staff trip to Pattaya and the infamous 6.5 hours party bus ride, which featured 5 stops en route for more drinks and pee breaks. Very few remember actually getting off the bus, never mind the antics that were gout up to at the resort in Patts that we stayed at. It was great to see the girls let their hair down and enjoy themselves, without having to deal with us punters. (The farangs were just Iain, Swiss Chris and myself). The other memorable time was the WN20 trip to Chiang Mai. Iain and Nam had found out that there was a bar up there called 'Why Not' and so wanted to go visit! So off we fly and spent a few nights in Chiang Mai. The looks on the faces of the staff at the 'other' Why Not were priceless when in paraded a load of BKK LBs wearing Why Not Bangkok tee shirts! (From memory it was Nam, Popcorn, Noey, Belle, Laura, Catty). Iain was very rarely ever seen without his black WN tee shirt and I once asked him why didn't he get a tattoo made instead? I last saw Iain at the WN20 location pre-Covid in Feb-20, when @taaseesanuk and @BeachGuySC and I had a big week in BKK. Little would we know what was to happen after that and we have all said how lucky we were to have gone ahead and not cancelled that trip. Then Covid hit... I was stuck outside of the LOS for 2 years, just like most of the world and during that time Poes was hospitalised twice with covid related illnesses. Looking back, in hindsight, this is the watershed when his health started to suffer. Locked down in BKK him and Nam decided to roll the dice and pick up the lease on WN04. This was a really ballsy move and I remember having a lot of discussions with him about it, as it required re-mortgaging the condos in Pattaya that he owned to get the refurb completed. WN04 was opened and then they suffered under the open-close-open bar regime that was put in place in the LOS. Many bars went under during this period, as we all know. Poes and Nam were very lucky to have Steve (ex-Stringfellows) around, who had recently 'retired' in BKK and so they had many nights behind shuttered doors. Sadly Steve passed away in Nov-21. I finally managed to get out of Dubai and made the move to BKK in Sep-22. Having not see Poes for 2+ years, he had changed a lot and his health conditions meant he didn't go there as frequently as before. Poes and Nam were a great help in condo suggestions (I moved into the same building!) and sorting out a visa agent etc. Poes was always willing to help out his friends and I saw this many times. Despite his gruff demeanour and sometimes unkempt appearance, he would always be the first to help somebody - whether it was punters, friends or the girls. In late 2022 Poes had to stop drinking, which must have been very difficult to anyone who knew him. Heineken 0 became his new BFF and I very rarely ever saw him drink vodka or any other beer again. In 2023 I had to make 2 long trips back home and to the UK and it was after I returned in Sep-23 I could see that his health had taken a big downturn. He was in and out of hospital for various tests and samples and had been diagnosed with diabetes earlier in the year. He was excited about the anniversary party in Sep-23 and then for the lead-up to his birthday party he talked a lot about putting on a skit for 30 minutes. I could see that he was excited about this and in retrospect it was something he was doing to take his mind off the health problems. I saw him weekly either in the building where he would give me downloads of series (his spare bedroom was like a NASA control centre), or at the bar. Each week he looked weaker and had become uninsurable. On the day of his birthday party - 4th November he turned up late and you could just tell something was very off. He apologised profusely that he couldn't do his show and told three of us @Steveindubai and @Singter1 and maybe others that he had been diagnosed with liver and gall bladder cancer. He managed to stay for 2.5 hours, but then started becoming visibly tired and had to leave with Nam. This was a birthday party that i will never forget, for all of the wrong reasons, as he had made us promise not to tell anyone, especially the girls. It is a very hard thing to pretend that you are having a great time at a party, meanwhile you have just learnt something as momentous as this. This is also why I haven't had the heart to be on the board for the past month. Poes went for a biopsy the following week and was waiting for the results when he dragged himself out for his very last time at WN04 to meet up with @Terry Tibbs @Steveindubai and myself. He was there for about 2 hours but by then the morphine was making him very tired and he had to leave. @Singter1 was upset to have missed him by about 30 minutes as he has known him since the Phuket days of 10 years ago. Iain's very last trip out was fittingly to Cindy's Bar a day or two after. I met up with Iain in the building and he looked close to the end, as the telltale jaundice had set in. Nam then advised us that the results showed that the cancer was too far gone and he spent the last week of his life in the hospital. Nam never left his side. On 1-Dec-23 I met up with Nam in the condo and she was distraught. She had just returned from the hospital where Iain had passed away at 0300. I remember being in shock and just walked around BKK in a daze for a few hours. Nam has a very good circle of friends and they then took over. The UK embassy had to be informed so that Iain's body could be released for cremation and they took care of all the details. The service was on 4-Dec-23, just 1 month since his fateful birthday. The service was very impressive. I sat next to @Youngone who is known to be good at numbers, and he estimated 120+ attendees. Iain must have planned the music as it was all of his favourite songs. It is the mark of a man's true greatness as to how many people bother to attend the funeral. This was a big turnout of BKK and PAT ex-pats as well as the ladies. There was a 'wake' at the bar afterwards, which I don't really remember too much of, but based on the hangover I had yesterday, I must have drunk a lot. I am sitting here typing this over-long, over-sentimental obit of Iain Hole, AKA Poesface, and one of the songs from the funeral keeps going through my mind "I'm Missing You" by Diana Ross. Iain, you were a great friend and will be missed very much by many of us. You have left a hole in our hearts, leaving this life far too early. SAG

Anal: I can understand a ladyboy not wanting anal because their ass can't handle it on a particular night. I also understand if a ladyboy cannot get an erection. Oral: But if a ladyboy won't give or receive oral she shouldn't be looking for customers. I guess an exception would be if the customer is dripping pus or has an otherwise infected dick. Changing The Payment: Very tricky situation paying less than you promised even if she doesn't do all that she promised either sexually or length of stay.

A line-up to warm up with ?

I think it's a caricatured opinion. An urban legend circulated at PY claimed that freelancing ladyboys are thieves or pickpockets, while those employed in bars are supposed to be honest. I experienced the opposite. Bar bosses protect their ladyboys more than non-regular clients. They also train ladyboys to encourage clients to purchase allkind of extras or keep a customer frustrated with hardly passable service. I also checked a few cases of supposed freelancers scamming customers or robbing their wallets. These were bar ladyboys freelancing after their bar had closed. During my last visits in Pattaya, I used only direct contacts in Wechat or Thaifriendly and it worked pretty well. I filtered out ladyboys who profess to freelance but are simultaneously employed in a bar, and this approach had proved effective until last year in Vietnam, where challenges emerged for entirely different reasons. Nevertheless, encountering a ladyboy in a bar in Indonesia remains an implausible scenario (except in Bali). PS : Today, it took me one hour to explain my serviced appartment management I want to check out early tomorrow and need a taxi at 5 AM. They understood in the afternonn and told me after 9 PM they can't call a taxi. This is fucking Indonesia.

I opted not to revisit the dollhouse as I considered Tira to be the prettiest and nicest there. However, I had noticed a decline in her enthusiasm during my second visit. To avoid potential disappointment on a third visit, I decided to explore Taman Lawang. Moreover, I saw it as a missed opportunity not to utilize the list of ladyboys I had compiled. Since I had only contacted one-third of the 3-star rated warias, I initiated a 'mass messaging' campaign to reach out to all of them. This endeavor confirmed a trend I had observed with other Jakarta ladyboys. Some Twitter accounts had been deleted, and others displayed a WhatsApp number, but the warias no longer had either WhatsApp or a phone number available. The majority of them quoted very high prices, ranging from Rp 2 million (over $4,500) to Rp 3 million (THB 6,800), or even $150, $200, and in some cases, Rp 5 million—yes, more than $300 ! I successfully negotiated a price with one of them at 800K to secure a favorable deal. To make this happen, she agreed to come to my hotel. However, she later canceled, as I had just postponed a date with another one to the next day.. Subsequently, I reached out to the second waria, named Bunga, to arrange an evening meeting. Although she agreed to a price of 700K, she needed time to prepare and kept me waiting for an address. While waiting, I took a bus heading to Kuningan (South Jakarta), as Bunga had mentioned that her room was located in Kuningham. During this time, I received additional messages from two other warias. One of them initiated a crisis of paranoia, complaining about wanting me to send her money. Simultaneously, the other engaged in a chat as I mistakenly sent him a message intended for Bunga. Amidst all this, I had received only one message from Bunga: 'wait'. As I reached Kuningham (a district in South Jakarta), Bunga finally informed me that she was busy. In response, I began to argue, and she provided nonsensical excuses. Suspicious, I checked her Twitter account and observed in a video that she resembled one of the experts from Taman Lawang, with the video background clearly matching Taman Lawang. Despite being slowed down by a sudden thundershower, I made my way to Taman Lawang. Upon my arrival at Taman Lawang, Bunga messaged me, claiming she was heading back home. I confronted her, stating that I knew she wasn't busy with a friend but had been at Taman Lawang instead. Deciding not to give her another chance, I boarded a bus back to my hotel. During the bus ride, I found myself entangled in arguments with Bunga and another warias. Opting to sleep on it, I blocked all four of them the next morning. Bunga.mp4 Bunga's video On the following day, I discovered a few more contacts, one of whom offered a reasonable price (around 600K, if I recall correctly). I found free transportation to her location (yes, one can travel for free in Jakarta without walking) and headed there. However, she appeared to be in a hurry, and despite agreeing to meet at 2 PM, she messaged me upon my arrival in her West Jakarta street, stating she had to cancel the date. Instead, she proposed that I meet one of her friends and sent a photo upon my request. After seeing the picture, I declined the offer, but she suggested another meeting at 5 PM in my hotel. I asked her to come to a nearby hotel of mine. (she never came, postponed again, and I never heard from her again). Meanwhile, another ladyboy proposed a meeting in the northeast of Jakarta City. This person initially bargained at 3 million, then reduced the price to 1 million, eventually accepting 600K. However, her acceptance of the final price seemed ambiguous. I expressed my weariness of running from one place to another after warias who canceled at the last minute, and I decided to stop. I experimented with different types of contacts, including hijab crossdressers and a couple of 'Chinese' ladyboys, all rated 2 or less on my list (perhaps too harshly). Unfortunately, the same tricky games started again. Fearing exhaustion from the search for genuine contacts, I took a stroll around Monas (the National Monument). I pondered the strange behavior of warias accepting a date and then canceling, but found no answers. I couldn't comprehend why the first one declined; perhaps Bunga preferred freelancing in the street to attending our scheduled date. Then, I questioned the motivations of the others. Was it some form of revenge after bargaining for a reasonable price ? I contemplated the possibility of hidden jokers on the other side of the phone —maybe police officers creating fake accounts or just teenagers. However, I chose to stop wondering and decided not to entertain such thoughts further to avoid becoming paranoid. Conclusion: While many ladyboys appear to reside in Jakarta, I encountered a few on Twitter, the city's vast expanse, which seemed even larger than Bangkok to me means their 'density' is not particularly high. In the past, there were numerous ladyboys in the streets of the city, but poloice crackdowns have kept them away from the streets. There might be more areas like Taman Lawang, but I am unfamiliar with them. I read about police crackdowns in West Jakarta at night last year, but don't really know where and how. The most paradoxical aspect for me is the existence of this club that was documented by a Japanese YouTuber. While we often discuss fees in the millions with ghost warias, one can find fresh girls at reasonable prices (around Rp 365,000, equivalent to THB 835). It's the first time I've encountered a scene where ladyboys are more expensive (far more expensive) than GGs. I can't explain why, lacking perspective on the situation. Is it worth mongering in Jakarta? Definitely NO. Not for ladyboys, and not for GGs either. However, the city is worth visiting at least once in a lifetime, and if you still enjoy GGs, paying a visit to this club might be an option. Post written in the old terminal at Soekarno-Hatta airport this morning (5th December) and posted in the next night.