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This was a response to Larry's 'Open your heart, open your wallet' topic, but it kind of leads on to a new topic... This seems really weird replying to my own post!? I'm sure a lot of readers/FM's will think, who the fucks this wanker & that I'm a completely bullshitting C...! But the truth is I've lived in 'The Land of Lies' for a long time now & I've never really paid for it that much; not unless I'm doing one of my Pattaya 'tours of duty', or I just don't see an option, of course, but even in Patts I still get my 'Just for fun' encounters, always have done!.. Although I've got to admit that is happening less often now that I'm getting a bit older... BTW, to be honest the P4P scene bores me fucking shitless. :angel: So anyway, this is being put out there to try & convince any of you who think, "it's purely P4P in this neck of the woods & that's that"! Cause I know you're out there & I've got so fucking sick of pricks telling me, point blank, 'That's how it is'!!!.. And that P4P is the only way it is, a constant that doesn't deviate or can't be broken!.. Well it ain't & I'm breathing living proof of that, in spite of the fact that I'm not quite 'Sean Connery'!.. Nearly, but not quite... We'll see how things go 'when I get my new eye in'? :diablo: Anyway, has said in the above piece, it's all about making friends & being a 'proper' friend back in return. Now I do get caught out from time to time & I have made bad judgment calls & come unstuck, but overall... 'You give good, you get good back'! :angel: Anyone else like trying to get it for free??.. Or are you the poor bastard who's never been cut a break??

Labels! Labels! Labels! We must get over the labels (made up by some twat 50+ years ago)…. It’s a ‘Sexual Fetish!’ For the guys who get frustrated, on what ‘label’ they fall into, which there are only 3….. ‘Straight’, ‘Bisexual’, and ‘Gay’. But you can’t fit the whole realm of the different LB Fetishes into just these 3 groups. And it is never as simple as that! The guys who go with LB’s are divided up into these basic groups, but not all of them; THINKING Guys (who would be labeled straight) who are always fantasizing about LB’s, but haven’t yet grew the ball’s to try it out!....... What stupid Label are these guys? ………..That’s an unknown Fetish! ANAL + RECEIVING BEST BJ’s Guys (who would be labeled straight) who are big-time into anal, but find it hard to get a Thai GG that will do it wile mongering, as most GG’s don’t like to do it. These guys know for sure when selecting a LB ST/LT, will always know for sure he’s going to get anal, and at the same time get a better blow-job than most of the GG’s could do. But won’t go any further. (Some guy’s only go for the blow-job)……..What stupid label are these guys?............. It’s a Sexual Fetish! THE ABOVE + RECEIVING RIMMING As the male anus has more pleasure receptacles than on the penis, Guy’s (who would be labeled straight) enjoy receiving tongue rimming, not unlike receiving it from they’re wives/girlfriends in the western world, but again the chances are the Thai GG he pick’s up, may not want to do it. So picking up a LB, he’s sure of it. But won’t go any further. …….. What stupid label are these guys?....... It’s just a Sexual Fetish! THE ABOVE + ANUS FINGER PLAY Guy’s (who would be labeled straight) enjoy ether finger play on the anus wile fucking their wives/girlfriends, or their wives/girlfriends giving a blow-job wile playing with the anus, and help’s him get off better. But again, a bit of a taboo with the Thai GG’s, but not a problem with the LB’s. But won’t go any further.…….. What stupid label are these guy’s?........ It’s just a Fetish! THE ABOVE + FINGER PENETRATION Guy’s (who would be labeled straight) who like to go a little bit further, and prefer penetration of the finger wile having sex, or receiving a blow-jog from their wives/girlfriends, stimulating the prostate, and help sustain an erection, and/or gets them off better. But again, a bit of a taboo with the Thai GG’s, but not a problem with the LB’s. But won’t go any further.…….. What stupid label are these guy’s?........ It’s just a Fetish! THE ABOVE + GIVING A HAND-JOB Guys who don’t mind giving pleasure by throwing in the odd hand-job to a LB, but won’t go any further. But the thought of giving a hand-job to his mate, a fellow BM, or a big hairy brick-layer, would make him sick. .…….. What stupid label are these guy’s?........ It’s just a Fetish! THE ABOVE + GIVING A BLOW-JOB Guys who don’t mind giving a LB a blow-job, after all the only difference between the male/female genitals is the shape, and just a different action in performing oral sex, which shouldn’t be a big deal. Guys that have a foot fetish, licking/sucking, feet & toes, are not far off this mark. But the thought of giving a blow-job to his mate, a fellow BM, or a big hairy brick-layer, would make him sick. .…….. What stupid label are these guy’s?........ It’s just a Fetish! THE ABOVE + RECEIVING ANAL SEX Guy’s (who would be labeled straight) who like to receive anal sex from their wives/girlfriends with a strap-on. So what’s the difference between that, and a LB doing it? But again, the thought of getting fucked in the ass by his mate, a fellow BM, or a big hairy brick-layer, would make him sick. .…….. What stupid label are these guy’s?........ It’s just a Fetish! FETISH Guy’s/ girl’s who are into S&M, Dogging, Scat, Bondage, Submission, Animals, Foot, two guys onto one female, etc. etc. etc. Although some of them quite sick…….. But what stupid label do you put on these…….They are nothing more than Fetishes. Just the same as the guy’s that go with/like/love LB’s. In all my travels of over 30 year, meeting every fellow BM and LB lover I have came across, not once did I consider them or myself to be ‘Gay’……In fact far from it! …. It’s just a fetish we all share. Irrespective of what acts are performed in the bedroom, that’s their and my own personal business. If you think your ‘Gay’, then ask yourself how much of a collection of 100% hairy biker/village people gay porn do you have? How much do you enjoy watching porn on 100% hairy biker/village people gay porn sites? How much time do you spend on 100% hairy biker/village people gay dating & chat rooms, chatting up other dudes? Etc. Then you might find your answer there! And if you do find out…. Try to keep it to yourself! PLEASE! Please THINK BEFORE starting any threads on the forum with the subject, ‘is this forum getting too gay ’, ‘is it gay to go with LB’s’, or ‘am I gay if I…….’, as it’s like a dog trying to catch his own tail…… stupid, never forthcoming, a waste of time, and gets you nowhere! WE SIMPLY SHARE A FETISH!

Good man Lung, it's refreshing to see somebody has the balls to mention the elephant in the room and I fully agree with you. Any time this topic is brought up on the various forums, the guy who mentions it invariably gets slated by "guys in the know, old hands" with comments along the lines of "nothing is free in Los", "they are all about the money" bla bla bal. When I mentioned on another forum that I have been chatting to an LB student who does not seem to be money orientated, one of these self appointed know it alls asked me did I want to buy some swamp land in Florida he was selling, cheeky fooker lol. Ask some of the guys who use the various online sites and chat programs how they get on, and one would be surprised by the amount of non payment sex these guys are getting, the only money changing hands in for transport and maybe some food. I have availed of these myself, and it's such a different experience being with someone who wants to be with you, rather than only for the coin. Many of these girls have regular jobs and are looking for a bit of illicit fun like any normal person in any country. Of course these guys using these sites don't boast about it in general. One reason is to keep it secret and reduce the competition/assholes ruining it for them and secondly to avoid the inevitable derisory comments from the so called self appointed experts. Of course the online option takes a bit of work time wise, and is more suited to guys who spend longer periods in Los or can line the girls up before they arrive. But it is not only the regular girls who give out for free, some of the p4p girls can be quite generous with their bargains also. This is the area where the "wise old sages" scoff at any mention of a freebie. Well to those gentlemen out there, it does happen whether you want to believe it or not, although granted it is rare. I am not boasting here, just telling what happened, when I say on my last trip I had a few freebies, man I hate that word, and the girls made the offer, I did not coax it out of them or haggle for it. Here is one tale you don't hear that often, a bit of an eye opener I reckon. During my last trip I met a p4p girl on Sukhumvit on one of the nights I was in town. We had some fun back in her place, and I handed over my money in the morning. But also we swapped mobile numbers and emails as I enjoyed her company and I might give her a shout again. Well I spent 3 weeks in Bkk last February and one day she popped up on MSN messenger. We chatted and she said she wanted some photos taken for her page on Vicesisters and would I do it for her. Anyway one thing led to another and she made me an offer you just don't get from a p4p girl in Los. I told her I was going to Hua Hin, and she asked could she join me. Now here it comes,rub your eyes gents, she said as we were now friends, and that I was doing her a favour with the photos, she would pay her way on the trip, and she certainly did. She first off insisted on paying my bus fare to HH. Then she gave me half the money for the room each night, and wait for it, every night before we went out, she handed me 500 Baht to cover her drinks. There was absolutely no strings attached to this you scratch my back, I scratch your back arrangement. We have since become friends and as her English is quite good, we can have some normal conversations online. Anyway I could go on, but hopefully I have helped illustrate the point that Lung made, that it is not always about the money.