JaiDee

From the JD memory archives! Again, if you don't like long stories about things in the LB scene which happened several years ago, you can skip this one :) It was late fall of 2006 when I met Apple; she was walking around outside Nana Plaza with the other freelancers but she was somehow a bit different and definitely "my type". Small, slim, white skin, no boobs, really cute face and very little make-up; she was also very shy and demure, not a typical street hustler whom you would come across at 1am on soi 4. It wasn't even my intention to get a girl that night, I was actually getting some food from the street when I struck up a conversation with her. But she was so sweet and per usual I wanted to know what made her brain tick; for 6 years by that time I had interviewed over 500 of these girls and their stories always intrigued me and left me wanting more for my memory bank. So she came with me; I got her some Thai food and we went back to my apartment on soi 22. Chatted mostly, but also had some great sex; she had a nice, workable cock and was horny as hell and could cum really nicely. She said she had taken hormones as a young teen, but now at age 20 she had been off them for 4 years; her natural boobs were perfect, just the size of a champagne glass, and her cock worked like magic. It was really cool and despite the fact I had tons of names in my phone already and I lived 2 miles from a place where over 100 ladyboys worked every night, I took her number and we started hanging out regularly after that; not BF-GF type of thing, but for sure 2 or 3 nights a week we'd be together and it was always fun. I learned a lot from this sweet kid; from some craphole in Issan, she had come to work in BKK because a friend from back home owned a beauty salon in Din Deang. Typical for girls coming in from the country to earn a better living, it was never her intention to hook; she kind of fell into it when a friend took her to "walk around" Nana and see if they could meet farangs. She told me I was only the 3rd guy she had gone with when we met and I believed her because I knew most of the freelancers from around Nana and they knew me; Apple had no idea who I was, what my job was as a ladyboy photographer or about my [sometimes bad] reputation in the community and I wanted to keep it that way. At night when she didn't sleep with me she would sleep on the floor of the salon in Din Deang; she had only been in the city for 2 months and hadn't even secured an apartment yet. Making only about 6K a month to curl and cut hair, she was really on a tight budget and would take the bus in to the city every night to see me or walk around looking for men; she was really uncomfortable with that though, and flatly refused to work in any of the Nana bars, she simply could not walk around in a bikini with 50 other girls in a dark and skanky go-go bar. As always happens with me and these kinds of 'relationship' deals, our time would be coming to an end soon; Christmas was coming, I had to fly back to Boston for a month, and I knew that when I came back I would be going to Phi Phi and other points south for the better part of the winter so staying with her in BKK was not going to get in the way of that; despite how much I did like her, and she had grown fond of me by then as well [both my company and my baht, to be sure], we parted ways around December 20th and I figured that would be the end of the Apple story. April, 2007; 4 months after we last saw one another, and just 8 months since she had arrived in BKK, I see her at, of all places the giant Songkran party on Khoa San road! With 50,000 people walking around, what would be the odds, right?? But there she was, with 3 other LB's, and we crossed paths; she ditched her friends rather quickly and hung with me....I bought her a water gun and some sandals because she had lost hers somewhere, and we also got some food and it was great to see her again; I was with a farang friend and his LB girlfriend so we now became a 4-some and it was really cool. But something was bugging Apple....she wasn't her usual self, and she seemed shy and withdrawn, also kind of nervous and apprehensive around me and she definitely had something on her mind, I could tell. But it was Songkran so we all played with the water and had fun, and around sunset we all four agreed to go back to my place for a shower and some hot food. Apple was first in the shower and then quickly dressed in some things of mine, grabbed her wet clothes and headed out without saying much; very odd. I was bummed because I wanted her to spend the night, but she obviously wanted to leave and quickly. The ladyboy who was in our foursome then took me aside and told me that Apple had confided in her that since the last time I had seen her just 4 months earlier she had gotten SRS and was a bit embarrassed to tell me that, and that's why she screwed out of there so quickly; but for me I didn't care, she was a friend and I wanted to know more. I let it rest for a day or 2, and in any case I was super-tired that night, but a few days later I called her and we got together for dinner and she told me the whole story. Turns out that just after New Years she had met some guy from France, probably on the street in front of Nana, and they started dating; quickly falling in love with this guy who she assumed had swept in like an angel from heaven to take her away from this life of poverty and prostitution, she apparently fell under his spell; when he told her he wanted her to remove her penis to be "more like a real lady" and that he would pay for the whole thing, she agreed and had the operation in February. Problem is, frenchy didn't care for the work the doctor's did, and quickly dumped my cute little friend and found another girl, thereby breaking the heart of a really nice young ladyboy and sending her back to the streets to work, now as a post-op "Lady". The story broke my heart; in 7 years of dealing with some absolute filth, with drug addicts, hookers, loser farang sponsors with more baht than brains, and other assorted nonsense from being so deep into the Bangkok LB scene, I would have thought I had heard it all by now, but this one caught even me off guard. We went separate ways but I couldn't get my mind off her and her story....a night or 2 later I went down to Nana and spotted her, she was being chased away by the cops and appeared to be more of a hardened street girl by now, ducking down some soi with all the other hookers; the innocent farm girl I had met just 6 months ago was now a professional street walker on the streets of Bangkok, with her penis removed and trying to convince men that she was a Lady. She was happy to see me and grabbed my arm.....I took her to the Omni Hotel and we got a room and some food. After some chit-chat we started kissing and it lead to sex; she was hesitant at first, but by now we were both naked and it was inevitable we would have intercourse. I entered her really slowly; I have been with post-ops before, probably 6 or 7 all told, and from my experience you never know what to expect when you enter them. In her case, the back wall of her new vagina was way too small; even though my penis is only 6 inches long and not particularly large in circumference, I couldn't get it in more than 3-4 inches or so; it just kind of stopped right there and then she would grimace in pain. Now I knew why she was embarrassed and was avoiding having sex with me, she knew that once I tried to enter her it wouldn't be possible and I could see the sadness in her eyes. And it was surely like this with all men, and even more painful for the really well-hung guys. We finished up; I am sure I just jacked off at that point and then lied about how good it was, etc.....but she wasn't buying it. Whereas we used to sleep together sometimes and she enjoyed being held in my arms, this time she just wanted to shower and leave as soon as possible and she did about 20 minutes later. I haven't seen her since that night, and as far as I know she doesn't live or work in Bangkok anymore, but I can't be sure. I miss my little friend, I miss the 2 months we had together when she was a shy and innocent kid in from the country; and I would love to beat the crap out of that french retard who basically turned her whole life upside down on a whim and then just left her to fend for herself.

Great poll! If it wasn't for the hottie Indonesian ladyboy I did the nasty with in a short-time room in Amsterdam, it would only be 2, North America and Asia....but now I can say 3! *Waiting for the first person to come on here and say they have done it in Antarctica .

I have heard there is a nice girl named Om working at this bar, I'd like to come down sometime and take her out. Great location too, soi 6 rocks!

The free porn.....you can't chat with anyone there...it's certainly the best option for *most* of us, but some guys want to actually watch another person jack off or watch a lady play with their pussy with one hand while typing with the other; and they are willing to pay 2 or 3 bucks a minute for that privilege! Check out Cam Contacts or some of the other popular websites sometime....some of their rooms have 60 or 70 girls or ladyboys on at one time..... SOMEONE is paying for it!

Good for you for taking in Phuket as well! Most new people only see Pattaya and Bangkok, and they are missing out on a great place. I think any person who has, say, 3 weeks to travel in Asia should do a week in each city. Good luck with your planning and I hope you enjoy Thailand; believe it or not most people who travel there usually have their dreams exceeded by the reality of what they find!

Exactly....when you live in a place which has sex in any scenario possible within a very short distance of where you live, it seems crazy to jack off to girls thousands of miles away! I guess most of the people who enjoy these webcam sites never travel, maybe have wives or girlfriends, married to their jobs, etc....who knows. But for people like Tan, it's great to see they can make a good living without hooking. 7 or 8 years ago the whole webcam thing was still in its infacy.....I knew a couple guys who ran a small studio in BKK and they used to have girls around the clock on their cams, turning on guys all over the world; I used to peek in on the studio from time to time and see 4 or 5 LB's at a time from Nana chatting with guys and getting hard for them; it was pretty funny. As I mentioned originally, the smartest ones got away from the 'studio' setting and ventured off on their own; that way the only split was with the host company, not with some farang dude AND the host. Every hooker I knew and liked at that time I would try and talk into this....too many to name, but there were probably 50 girls or so I tried talking into getting out of the bars and hooking and into a webcam scenario. I am guessing maybe 8 or 10 took me up on it {I never made a cent, I am just always happy when people stop hooking}....the rest were not ambitious enough and didn't like how many hours they had to work to make the same pay as they could for one screw in Nana. But the ones who thought selling their bodies was dirty or smart enough to realize that couldn't go on forever, DID start it and preferred it to working as a prostitute. Nunny from Khorat was the best example....she was working in Pattaya when I set her up with a cam and got the paperwork all started, etc....it takes 4 or 5 months to get approved for it all and it's quite a lengthy process. By then she had moved back in with her Mom in Khorat and was doing cam from her bedroom, making 40K baht a month and not having to let anyone touch her body which she loved. Despite how we joke about it all, these young Thai girls don't exactly enjoy older, overweight western guys pawing at their bodies every night of the week. When I took out my credit card and logged in to her chat room a few months later just to say "hi" and surprise her, she thanked me profusely and started crying on cam, saying how I had "changed her life" and how much happier she was now, etc.....which was payment enough for me for the minor work I had to do. Who wouldn't want to change someone's life for the better given the chance? I still say webcam is the way to go for these girls, although the field is much more crowded these days and it's harder to make a decent living at it.

Nope, wrong Apple The one I was thinking of never appeared on the 'net.....we became friends when I took her from outside Nana one night, she was a freelancer there. Super-nice girl, really shy and soft-spoken, only 19 or 20 when we met....we hung out for a month or so, I really liked that kid; ran into her 6 months later and she had changed considerably. Same as 2 nights ago when I wrote the Natalie story I will be up late tonight working on some stuff on my PC so I will relate the whole story, I think a few of you may be interested.

Good for you! I hope you make a small fortune....

Yes, by all means people should check it out, especially if they have a long time in Thailand. I can understand a new guy wanting to visit only Pattaya and BKK if they want non-stop action and sex; but as Bumblebee says, if you like a laid-back spot and have some free time to kill, do check out Hua Hin. I know I will go back some day!

Ladyboy webcams have seen an explosion {pun?} of popularity these past few years; websites like Cam Contacts and Flirt 4 Free [which is far from free!] do freaking monster business. The girls don't make much, but man, the operators of these websites are millionaires! Just curious.....have any of you guys ever tried it? I did one time only, to chat with a good friend who I had set up in the business.....after about 10 minutes of chatting together I realized I had run up a 20 dollar bill and bailed out! But she {Nunny} tells me she makes about 30-40K baht per month doing that, with the same amount going to Cam Contacts....they each get 50% of her time on-line with a customer. *Note; it's good to see that the girls are mostly independent now and doing it themselves from a bedroom or small apartment; when it first started taking off there were some unscrupulous dudes taking yet *another* cut from the girls, till they got smart and cut those guys out and started to do it on their own; good for them for having the entrepreneurial spirit!

Wow, I can't believe how well this forum is taking off now! I first logged on when PD sent me a link just about a month ago and it has grown sooooo much now, that's awesome. Good for you guys, keep on truckin' and attracting LB-hunters from all over the web, it's a well-done forum and should be very successful.

Yes, BB, for me also I would consider those years kind of the golden age of Ladyboys, between about 2000 and 2006, before they became super-popular on the internet and sooooo many people were reading forums like this one and then traveling to meet the girls; it was kind of like we all had our own little secret and our own private boys club, and we were all doing things which were really exclusive and still unknown to the outside world at large. I am sure people just discovering LB's in the past few years would consider THIS time period to be the Golden age, and that's great for them and I hope they all have fun now. But for me I will always look at the first 5 years or so of hanging out with the LB's to be the greatest time and a time when I also met a lot of cool farangs through my message board and many way-cool Ladyboys as well. And yes, I remember Talisha and Natasha well, both really cool LB's who always had a smile and a funny story to tell me whenever our paths crossed.

Heh, yes I agree with that! which is probably why it was so 'exciting' for me to take a load in the face and mouth area, and I must admit it WAS fun! Haven't done it much since then, I guess it's like one of those things you just HAVE to try once, you know?? As you say, the sheer dirtiness of doing these things makes it more fun! PD- it may have been someone else who gave me those 2 weird diseases; back then I was quite the butterfly, same as most mongers who travel to Thailand to meet ladyboys. It could have been someone before her for sure, but it just seems so likely that SHE was the leading candidate; I was perfectly healthy till I met her and then a week later, BAMM! I was down and out....can't think of anyone else right before her whom I was so dirty and filthy with either so my presumption was just that it was {X}; Lord knows I can't remember her name!

yes, that is the name of the bar! It has a sign with a guy rowing a boat out front.....great place but they close way too early. Loaded with freelancers, many of them LB's. Never made it up as far as 'Nam, but not for lack of trying....once I got to Luang Prabang it was quite difficult to rent a cycle legally, it was much easier in Vientiane.....I finally got one on the down-low from a local {40US a day for his 250cc Honda} but he warned me not to go outside the province so I didn't; still got a chance to see some real Akha and Hmong villages within a 200km radius of LP, that was fantastic and I can't wait to do it again; I really like going places where they never or rarely see white people. Laos only gives 30-day Visa's and that is just about right for my next visit; I will rent a 400cc in Vientiane and head WAYYYYY north, skirting China and Vietnam and back to Vientiane, I figure a month should do nicely, lemme know if you're interested.

Ahhhh, I remember that also PD..... less than one minute after that recording was done we were going at it like 2 farm animals :) The P.I. girls were so happy to have a westerner throwing money around for photo shoots during that time in Manila and Cebu that I became very popular, very quickly; it was awesome! Worked with 84 girls in 20 days, which must be some kind of a record....I literally had to put my lighting equipment into a freezer between shoots to keep it from overheating, pure madness.

I actually loved Laos! Had a great time there, stayed for 2 weeks all told.... the north was freaking amazing!! I wanna go back really badly....and I will :) for the life of me I can't remember the name of the bar, but there is a pool hall on the main road which runs along the Mekong and from where you can clearly see Nong Khai across the border in Thailand. It's on the 4th floor and has great views.....I was up there and there must've been 10 ladyboys in the joint, and about 20 ladies.....it's a buyers market for sure. I saw my old friend Dao in there and she looked great, and is now a postie; she used to work in Pattaya years ago as a pre-op. They also walk the streets around the river and downtown....some who approached me were no more than 16 or so, be careful.... but they are around for sure. *Remember, westerners can not bring a Laotian back to your room; the only way to have sex with these girls and LB's is if they know a place to screw, and that seems kind of dodgy.

Hi BB, sorry for the late reply on this!! I left HH last week, I was there for 3 nights total, 2 were with a friend and his ladyboy girlfriend. Good news first; all the info I secured from this message board was spot on!! The bars were all as described, the locations were perfect, and yes, people.....Hua Hin Has Ladyboys!! Probably 15-20 in a very small area, you can see them all around the soi where the Blue Angel cabaret is starting at around 9pm......my buddy and I had a few beers at Viking Bar and many of them freelance there apparently. Also....yes, the beaches are nice [as long as you go AWAY from where the main road leads to the beach; just turn right about 200 meters] and the beach at Cha Am and also down by the military base in the other direction were all lovely; perfect, really. Now the bad news; per usual I have no real trip report for you guys Part of the reason I post my thoughts very rarely on message boards these days is that I don't have anything new to say with any real substance or which may be of any interest to LB-hunters, and this trip was no different. I drank some beer with my friend, and even after he left and I had one night alone I just pretty much walked around, got some fast food and was asleep by midnight. I know, boring.....zzzzzzzzzzzz. And it wasn't the lack of LB's, as I say there are many around for such a small place; it just seems that the older I get [nearing 50 soon] my libido lets me down more and more and getting a burger and diving into a good book holds much more appeal to me than having sex. Strange but true, considering my lifestyle just 5 years ago If I could make up a good story to amuse the masses I would tell it, but I just don't, sorry! I was in Pattaya 2 weeks prior to that and only took 1 LB in 3 nights as well, sex has just kinda lost its appeal to me these days and I just find other things to entertain me.

Aubrey from Cebu - same same

Chelsea....21 and cute as a button as well no one outside of Asia could ever tell this was a boy

Jessica, 18 and cute as hell....also never on hormones. how many femboy lovers would pass on THIS?? speaks perfect english also and cute as a button

Leslie was 20 when this was taken.....you can tell she had never used hormones either, look at her waist and her body in general....she did, however, have implants; quite rare for young PI ladyboys

Cebu girl Trisha; only 18 when this was taken and had never used hormones before; how can she look so good naturally??

Been there twice for extended stays and as I have always said, PI ladyboys are better than the Thai's for many reasons, the language being first and foremost. I may be naive, but I also feel as though they are more honest and not as likely to hustle or outright lie to you as a Thai girl may; Thai's to me always seem to be on a scam. With that said, I think the Thai girls are prettier overall {starting hormones at an early age helps in that regard} and I prefer the country of Thailand; better food and a more exotic atmosphere. I just wasn't that impressed with the P.I., there is not a lot to do and in Cebu it seems the main way of having fun is to walk around a mall? Malls are cool and everything but every day and night? It gets old and there is no real bar scene; as Lefty says if you expect Nana Plaza or anything like what you would find in Phuket or Pattaya you will be severely disappointed. In conclusion; if you want one-night stands only and sexy, oftentimes buxom ladyboys, stick with the Thai's; if you want a relationship with a super-nice girl and don't mind living in what may be a boring place, try out the P.I.

good food, awesome beaches, and super-cheap!

Since we are all friends here [?] and I HOPE this info goes no further than this room, I will tell you all to be very careful if you want to do this....and make sure you know the girl for a while and she is not sick, not some one-night stand. I did it with a one-night stand many years ago because I thought it would be 'cool'; this was in Pattaya, the sex capital of the WORLD; what was I thinking?? So the LB sperms on my face and in my mouth and then I got off like a teenager losing his virginity; awesome! Next day I was flying back to the states, and within a few days of being home I felt really dizzy and light-headed and, eeeerrrrmmm, my white underwear had gray/green splotches all over the front of them. Yes, by now I had 'the drip', also known as gonorrhea! Tried putting off the visit to the Doc, hoping it would just go away on its own; of course it never did. I finally went to see someone [and got the horrific test] and it turns out I had chlamydia also! I asked the Doc [who was a really cool guy] what would have happened if I had waited another week or so before finally coming in. He says; "you would have gotten sicker and sicker and then died". Phew.....1 week of Anti-biotics and all my problems were gone, but that 2 week period was really gross and something I won't go through again just to swallow an LB. The Doc also had to, by law, register me with the state as a potential threat to others LOL....someone from the state board of medicine called me once a week for 2 months after that to make sure I was getting better and not spreading my filth around to anyone else; very humiliating {good thing I didn't have a wife, eh??}. As mentioned early on in this post, make SURE the girl you want to do this with is someone you know really well; if she has either one of these diseases you will know simply by looking in the front of her panties and you can also tell because she will be dizzy and really sick. Sorry to be a downer here, but even that doesn't help us avoid HIV; in all reality swallowing the sperm of a person we barely know and who has likely been with dozens or hundreds of men before us is probably not a good idea.