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I know Lung, he is a good and forth right man and yes he would tell another guy if he had a problem.I had a problem in your bar once (aggressive ladyboy demanding a drink) you and I were the only guys in the bar but you didn't bother to correct the ladyboys rude behavior. Maybe you need to take care of your own house first? :)

Understanding the Lives of Transgendered People (Ladyboys) and Their Partners We had a FULL HOUSE for the presentation! Thanks to all of you that showed up and for the great discussion and sharing of information. We are all now better equipped to help bring in more awareness and acceptance of transpeople. For those of you that were unable to attend I am sharing my notes for the presentation so you will have an opportunity to get some of the information shared. Spread the word, help usher in a more accepting world for all transpeople and their partners. Kelly’s notes for the presentation Kelly’s pre-presentation centering > set loving intention > invite in playfulness > ask for it to serve the best for everyone present > invite in an opening to intuition > Open each Chakra > trust the process Hi my name is Kelly and I am an advocate and lover of transgendered people. My background is that I have worked as a personal and transpersonal growth workshop facilitator for about 25 years. I counselled many transpeople through that time. My intention today is to bring awareness about transgendered people. Some of what they have to deal with and why they are such an inspiration of strength and courage. I will also touch on the subject of what it is like to be a partner of a transgendered person. But first I will go over some guidelines for the group. Guidelines: 1. This can be a sensitive topic because of the disease of prejudice that surrounds it. So I am asking for a show of hands from those of you that are willing to respect the confidentiality of anyone in the group that shares. This means you agree that you will not name names if you are sharing about your experience here today with anyone that was not present. NOTE: If anyone is not willing to raise their hand in agreement we will ask them to leave. 2. If you have questions, or you want to share, then raise your hand and do not speak until your hand is acknowledged. Sometimes I will not answer a hand right away if I am getting the intuition to keep talking from the front first. 3. Keep the power where it belongs > with yourself. I will just be sharing my ideas and present beliefs. I do not claim to be the ultimate authorities on the subject. I am not trying to sell you on my beliefs. Feel free to have your own beliefs including ones that differ from mine. 4. Be accountable for owning that your beliefs are your own. If sharing your beliefs do not try to impose them on anyone else in the group. 4.Turn off all cell phones/electronic devices. I will share for a while and then open the group up to questions. Closed eye journey of imagination > Have people close their eyes. > Imagine that you are a transperson waking up in the morning knowing you will be facing another day where your father or mother is ashamed of you. After many arguments you are no longer talking with each other. You will be going to school or work and be faced with some people teasing you directly and others saying nasty things behind your back but still within hearing range. You live in fear of being beat up again. You will be told that you cannot use the washroom that fits the gender that you feel you are to the core of your being. You know that the person that you have a crush on will not want to be seen with you in public. You end the day in room alone wondering why you are alive. You wonder if there is a point to carrying on. Invite people to open their eyes again. > This was an example of what many transpeople are dealing with. Fortunately not all are living with that level of stress. > speak about levels of acceptance growing slowly around the world. Speak about how the internet is a tool to take them out of isolation. Let them know they are not alone. Give them others to talk with about dealing with the things they are facing. Let’s be clear that sexual orientation and gender are two different things. Transpeople like anyone else might be attracted sexually to any of the variety of genders out there or they might be asexual. Names: Across the world transpeople are called various different names. And a name that is acceptable in one country will be considered degrading in another country. Example: Many male to female transpeople in North America would be totally offended to be called a ladyboy, but here in Asia the term is used with no offense by transpeople and the regular public. In fact when I first came here to Thailand and addressed people as being transgendered they looked at me with a puzzled face, not knowing what I was talking about. During this presentation I may use the term ladyboy or kathoey from time to time as these are terms common to Thailand. Another example: Many transpeople would find being called a shemale offensive because it is a term usually used for transpeople who work in the sex trade industry. So unless the person does work in the sex trade and is comfortable with their work choice, it is likely they will feel offended. If you want to know what term to use with a particular individual, just ask them what they are comfortable with. It takes the guessing out of it. Almost every extra challenge a transperson has, stems from prejudice. Without prejudice they would just have the regular everyday challenges common to all people. They exhibit extreme courage to be true to themselves in spite of dealing with ongoing prejudices. Whether it be consciously or subconsciously, they are teachers of people that want to learn to be true to themselves rather than live a life of betraying themselves in order to attempt to please others. North American transgendered people’s suicide rates are about 3 times as high as any other group of people. Risk of getting beaten and/or murdered. (The gruesome story of my friend Jennifer being strangled and left with her head in the toilet.) Work situation > Filipino example > to work in most factories they would have to wear men’s clothing, cut their hair, and pretend to be a boy. Huge disrespect of who they are. Many Asian families have a tradition that the oldest male is responsible for the financial welfare of the parents if the parents are no longer able to work and of younger siblings. If a male to female transperson is the first born in an Asian family, they are still considered the oldest male. They may be living in a country where transpeople are refused as employees for most jobs. Because of this often transpeople will work in the sex trade because of the lack of alternatives. Many enjoy that type of work, yet many others are doing it because of the lack of alternatives. Bamboo club > Share the story of going with a transwoman to do some dancing. Being told at the door that I can come in but that she is not allowed. I am hit with waves of sadness that she has to deal with this level of prejudice, quickly followed by anger. I start arguing with the doorman and he points to a sign they have saying in Thai that no ladyboys are allowed. As if the sign somehow makes it right. I feel her tugging at my arm and realize this is not the time to be arguing about this issue. She is already embarrassed enough with everyone around seeing her being turned away without my standing there arguing adding to her embarrassment. So we leave. This is 2015 but I feel like I have travelled back in time to the 50’s in the USA with signs of no blacks allowed! I am disgusted. And it has burst my bubble about assuming that Thailand is so progressive around acceptance of Kathoey. Yes Thailand is one of the most progressive countries in the word around accepting ladyboys but it still has a long way to go to eradicate prejudice. Some male to female transpeople are born with very feminine features making it much easier for them to blend in as women. Hard for people to know that they were not born female unless they decide to tell you. In North America this un-detectability is referred to as being “stealth”. But others have very masculine features and are far more susceptible to receiving the brunt of prejudice behaviors. One of the more difficult challenges faced by transpeople is if/when parents or other family members to not accept and support them in being true to themselves. This can also include their children if they have any. The deep desire to be accepted within the family system makes it even more challenging for them to be true to themselves. What feeds people’s prejudice? > It is people’s fears of the unknown > wanting to have a gender role to cling to > attack anything that challenges that. Wanting to stay in the safety of the “box” of beliefs and patterns they have built around them. Even if that box is not comfortable, it is known to them. Often people will stay with the discomfort of the known rather than risking opening to the unknown. So when a transperson comes along it challenges their gender role. So rather than exploring that, they will attack and try to destroy. But the reality is, there are not just two well defined genders. The gender spectrum is large. Including many babies that are born with two sets of genitallia. Most people are so stuck in their belief that there should only be two genders, that they will remove one of the sets of genitallia from the child. This happens without the child’s input. The child can end up being raised as a gender that does not fit the way they are hard wired inside their minds. As well as there being a wide spectrum of gender there is also the layering on of one of 7 billion unique personalities that live on the planet. Sadly people think that they have to be the same as others in order to fit in. Not only is that impossible because we are all unique but it is soul destroying to attempt to mold ourselves into something that we are not. Difficulties transpeople face in finding a partnership. > Many males or females born with a corresponding body (referred to as cisgendered) are afraid to openly acknowledge their love for a transperson for fear of being persecuted for their choice. They risk rejection by family, friends, and co-workers. They risk losing their jobs. These frightened people do not allow themselves to fully develop partnerships with transpeople. This leads to secrecy and only wanting to be with transpeople part time behind closed doors. Partner may want to have children but don’t want adopt so they will move on to find a partner that can provide offspring. In many countries transpeople are not allowed to get married. Many people just see transpersons as sexual objects > they want to have sex with them but do not want to build a relationship. Lack of respect for a transperson’s intelligence. Thinking that ladyboys are desperate, so feeding them lies in hopes of getting what they want. Example: On social media guys claiming within minutes of first knowing a transperson that they want to marry her. Their sole intention is to have sex with the person and they think that a ladyboy will be so desperate to fill a dream of being married that they will leave all their common sense and intelligence behind and do whatever this guy wants. If prejudice was eliminated we would see many, many more transpeople in relationships. You may have read news articles about a transperson losing it and attacking someone. Sadly the buildup of emotions that comes with dealing with ongoing prejudice can explode in some transpeople. Then when others hear about it, it gives them another excuse for feeding their prejudice against transpersons. The media reports the most titillating stories. It rarely reports in on the hundreds of thousands of transpeople that are living regular day to day lives. Transpeople also have to deal with prejudice police. Example: I had my wallet stolen by a woman. When I reported it to the Thailand police they asked if she was a ladyboy. I said no it was a woman. During the time I spent at the police station I was asked at least 10 times if I was sure it was not a ladyboy. The police want to pin crime on ladyboys. As if crime is only committed by ladyboys and not by men and women. As you probably know, if you walk down Beach Road in Pattaya at night you will see many genetically born (cisgender) ladies and ladyboys working the sex trade. On a regular basis the police will gather up multiple ladyboys and ladyboys only. Take them down to the police station. Give them a talk about not working the sex trade, fine them and then let them go. There are cisgender woman standing right beside the ladyboys doing exactly the same thing and they are rarely taken by the police and fined. When the police are doing a round up you will see the ladyboys scatter and run to hide. Yet the cisgender women are so confident that they will not be harassed, that they will just stand in their spots and continue working. Ladyboys are the scapegoats. And because the police focus on them, there are more reports of them committing crimes so it deepens the prejudice and makes life even harder for honest living ladyboys. Problems at the border > M to F have to use Male ID / F to M have to use Female on ID. (Hopefully these laws will change) When getting a passport in Thailand or the Philippines you will be marked with the gender you were born with and they want you to look like that gender for passport photos. So for a ladyboy they have to pull their hair back, wear no makeup and try to look like a boy. Yet when they go to travel looking like their normal feminine selves they often get hassled by immigration because they look like a woman not like the photo in their passport. Transgendered people are the same as any other gender when it comes to sexuality. They may be attracted to having sex with men / women / other transgendered people / or any combination of those. Some M to F transpeople that are pre-op do not like to involve their genitallia in sex. Some even see their genitallia as betraying them. Because it was because of their genitalia that they were raised as males even though they knew themselves to be female. Others are happy to keep and utilize their genitalia. Many ladyboys take hormones that can make them look more feminine, soften skin, retard body hair growth, lose muscle mass, grow breasts. But they have to deal with side effects. Some go through extreme emotional upheaval in the early stages. The risks of getting cancer rises. It is not uncommon for some types of hormone use to lower or even full diminish sexual drive. As well some hormones can totally block the ability to get hard. Some block the ability to ejaculate. Others reduce sensation of orgasm and the ejaculate is clear with very little volume. Others will reduce the size of the penis and gonads. Until the wide spread use of the internet a large majority of transpeople (especially in North America and other countries that had not adapted to including transpeople into their culture) felt isolated and felt there was something wrong with them because they did not know there were other people that were like them. Fortunately in Thai culture transpeople have been included so there has not been the same kind of isolation here. The following two paragraphs are from: http://www.wikihow.com/Respect-a-Transgender-Person Some trans people will be comfortable answering questions, and some will not. If a transperson is uncomfortable answering, or doesn't want to, then let it go. If you need to know, use resources such as google. Many believe that the word "transgender" is an adjective, and a descriptive word; not a noun or a verb. Others believe otherwise. Just as you wouldn't call an older person "an old" or say they are "olded", it is inappropriate to refer to a transgender person as "a transgender" without adding "person", "woman", "man", or any other appropriate noun. Some transgender people also consider this objectifying and dehumanizing. Cisgender = adjective: denoting or relating to a person whose self-identity conforms with the gender that corresponds to their biological sex; not transgender. Near closing > Just before doing our final piece, we would like to thank and honor the transpersons of the world for their courage and their ability to be examples to all of us about the importance of being true to ourselves even in the face of prejudice and judgment from others. If we are not true to ourselves we cannot be happy because we will be living in a state of self-betrayal. Next time you are worried about what others will think of you for being whom you are, whether it be about something as simple as being concerned about what others will think of your haircut and the clothing you wear or as complex as your sexual orientation, let transpeople be an inspiration and a reminder to follow what feels true to you. End with an appreciation circle. Each person shares one or two things they are appreciative about. Let people at the event know they can email me to be sent an information package. (Include Transgender Support and Terms for Gender Identity and for Sexual Expressions)

Lea in my mouth, but too big for the other place, for that I woud choose Rina

Oh well, I will just have to be patient, arrive first in December, I hope it tastes good

I had forgotten about Cat's Place. And as mentioned it wasn't really in Sunee. It was likely doomed from the start. I remember going in one night when I was the only customer. I bought all 7-8 LBs a LD and had them sit in a circle on the floor for a circle jerk. I offered the one that could get off first a small cash prize (200B?). Although I also gave the runner up something as she just lost by a spurt. I kissed the LB next to me and could taste cigarette smoke and I said "You smoke" which she took wrong and started giving me a BJ. Amazing I could forget that bar. I saw Cat at one of the bars near 2nd Road and Soi 2 about a year later. All those bar are gone now. I believe Cat's Place was located here: https://www.google.com/maps/@12.922781,100.8780069,3a,75y,186.34h,86.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s512enrg7eFiCRmSZ7oC8ZQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Sorry, I now return you to our regularly scheduled program.

Fucking hommos!! hahaha!! Wait 'till they get a look at us lot! We're like tranny shagging Jedi knights compared to those guys.

Cat's Place wasn't really a short-lived bar nor was it located in Sunee....It was located on a small Soi on the way to Sunee for some, but much closer to TukCom than to Sunee...If you walked down with PD you would always pass by Cat's......PD didn't like the trek down Soi 16/17 for fear of getting run down by a passing motor contraption of some sort.......Didn't blame him, I was fearful of the motorbikes as well..So I used to travel to Sunee the back way....Yep, there is a back entrance to Sunee Plaza...What ever would Sunee be without a backdoor........ In the day I agree the right LB Bar may have been a success in Sunee...There were evenings when the crowd at Corner Bar would have easily supported a dedicated LB bar....I could envision that a relaxed LB bar kinda like Corner Bar minus the sillycone slut factor of other LB bars but with the femmy factor, might draw a certain crowd...But sadly those days are apparently gone.... Hopefully not forever........... Maybe one day your wish will come true Sam.........

i would say around 8inches with a cute side bend, its sits perfectly in your inner cheek

Yeah, admittedly, that was a bit direct, but I do have my reasons... Which I'd be very willing to share over a beer or a PM with anyone. I know where you're at with the bars, mate, it's becoming less & less my scene as time goes on

I voted Sensations.... On reflection, I've decided to edit out the last part of this post, because past experiences have taught me that these sort of things can get out of hand really quickly & that the open forum is really not the right place to make harsh remarks about other B.M's. I will get back to everyone via PM, in due course.