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One night last trip at Blue Chili I met a Vietnamese guy from Nha Trang, a lovely resort town up the coast. He was as shocked to find out I lived in VN as I was to find out he was VNese. He was about 40, told me he ran his own business, and managed to take a week off every 2 months to come to PP. He had a list of boys of his phone but liked to hang out occasionally at BC to see what's new. Also told me he didn't go for femboys (seeing them draped over me) but he liked bigger stronger manly boys. Each to their own. What was good and important news was he insisted he never paid more than 15 bucks to take one back to the hotel. Most I should pay, he assured me, was 20, and try always for 15.

Today there's also lots of talk from more restrained commentators saying that nuclear thing is bullshit and a beatup. That the focus should be on the 10,000 or so folks missing under sludge, rubble, etc.

I was also shocked to encounter some Russian rudeness on my most recent visit to Pattaya (November 2010). Laying in my hotel room I got to thinking about why, and of course don't know, but was intrigued by the parallel between the obvious Vulgar Boatmen presence there and in a high price luxury beach resort in Vietnam called Mui Ne. In the latter there are about 10 Russians to every 6 Vietnamese, and every 1 or 2 of every other nationality. It is open gossip knowledge that the Russian mafia run Mui Ne, apparently with the nods & winks from VNese authorities (who would all have their greasey snouts in the ruble trough).

Correction. My addled brain. Apologies for misleading. When I wrote the above post earlier today for some reason my synapses were firing Thailand/Pattaya, for which the above is true. But I have had some scenes in Vietnam where I live, and I will write about some of them in the LBs in Vietnam thread from the A List, in due course.

O this thread's got me champing at the tit to get back to PP again. My search skills are obviously pretty poor because this thread is the first I have heard of the value in 104 St and Claudia. Thanx to all contributing. In the past I've tried for Classic only to find it closed, MZone, to find it closed as well, so ended up giving all my money and energy to Blue Chilli. As Larry says: Blue Chili is a gay venue and won't be everyone's cup of tea. But I enjoyed having lots of pretty boys draping all over me through the evening, then asking the relevant one at the time to go back to the hotel with me. No problems. It is a genuinely no-drama venue, very relaxed, very friendly. No bar fines or anything. The crowd is very mixed, and I've sat near groups including very straight western women. Good atmosphere and good sights attract all lookers and interested parties I guess. The once a week drag shows are entertaining, but I quickly tire of that, as it's all show and no delivery.

Yeh, me too PD. Apart from circumcised I have never seen a CM in the flesh. Only in images. I must lead a sheltered life. However, they look and sound soooo interesting ...

I like threesomes, foursomes and moresomes... I think from memory the most I can claim is a sixsome. But only once has the scene involved a LB, and that was on my most recent trip to Pattaya (November 2010). It was me, a LB and a GG. It achieved what I set out to do when I set it up, but it is more of an amusing story than a hot event. I'll tell you about it when I get the time and energy to write a TR. I am very busy with normal life stuff at the moment (normal? is anything I do normal?). I will try to begin writing about that visit some time soon.

You espouse our logic Larry. Yes, you would think that. I mean, someone thinking like we do might reason: if I do good by this old foreigner, he might be good for me over the long haul. No. They do not think like that. They think only short term. VNese culture is characterised by short term gain thinking. Steal cheat lie rob swindle when you can, even if you only get the one chance. Go for it. I think they think: you might not get another chance, so grab it. That by doing so you lose out long term - in relationships, money, help, etc. - is never at the forefront of their thinking.

You're dead (or alive) right Larry, don't brush your teeth if you plan to imbibe. That's the rule. Listerine it can be, or simply suck at night brush in the morning, or whatever. Simple routine to establish and follow. And you'll always hear of someone getting something. For in the long haul no probability is zero, always is it some tiny thing at best, zero point something. That means some one of us, you me him, has to catch something. But I guess the main point of my post - which I did not make clear enough - is that for the general picture, we can be confident, happy, enthusiastic about the issue. It is not a bleak picture for all of us just because one of us gets something once. Sure that one catches something, but in the main 99+% do not.

Lin, I adore the rump - perfect - in your Italian LB images. Maybe I have to re-think my travel plans. And Larry, while I don't see anything LBish about Ruby (aka Ruby Heartstealer btw) she is obviously into LGBT and SM stuff (at least for the photographers). Wouldn't it be such a larf if ol Silvio was shown to be into LBs as well as all the other deep shit he keeps getting into?

Boy! (Or is that LadyBoy!) I sure killed off the thread with that post. Have to remember not to blither with technicals in the future. (Obviously goes down like a pair of freak show flaps.)

I live in a somewhat complex situation with a VNese grandma and grandpa occupying the lowest level of my house (metaphorically as well as physically). It has redeeming features however, for when I go to play, there is always someone to look after the place. At Lunar New Year, just over a month ago, grandma wanted to do the usual thing and make cung as they call it, a tribute of fruit, sweets, candles, sticks, and paper money to their gods/ancestors, and unbenownst to me invited this femboy friend of one of her faggot grandsons over to help out. Lunar New Year eve. Knowing I would be bored by all their shit (and I'm into culture, believe it or not), I was planning an early night. I was just finished drying down after an early shower heading for an early pillow (I never shower with the bathroom door closed) when this femboy - much to my surprise - swans by. I follow him to the altar where I ask who he is, what he's doing here in my house. He gropes my genitals (by now hidden by a pair of shorts I quickly donned). I grab him and give him a huge kiss, then drop to my haunches unzipping his fly. The suckoff is quick, and he gushes voluminous but bland (maybe I am too drunk) down my throat. He hastens to re-meet the grandma, but not before I invite him to return. He does. Two days later I head down from my roofdeck to the pissoir only to encounter him emerging from my bedroom. What's this, I wonder. But first things first. I quickly suck him off again. Then like a rat up a drainpipe he scuttles. I ponder the 500,000 VN dong I have left in my clothes cupboard, not locked away, in red envelopes ready to hand out to folks I know as LNY gifts. It's only about 25 bucks, but to poor VNese that's a windfall. You guessed it: the lot is gone. The little cunt has had his blow job and headed off enriched to boot. This is the kind of scumbag you can expect if/when you encounter VNese femboys. Be warned. Two days later I had the opportunity to give him one hefty kick in the kidneys as he slept at grandma's son's house. But apart from grimacing in pain he didn't even wake. Wake up cunt, I said, so you can see me stomp on your cunt face and throat. But he didn't. The family abused him, but I didn't get my dough back. Lessons learned about the VNese LB/FB scene.

Peter Jackson (History, Australian National University) has written over the past two decades or so about the shift in non-hetero expression in Thailand from kathoey to gay. Yes, the former still have high profile (what we recognise as LBs), but the latter, according to his studies have emerged and are growing in numbers and confidence. Another site I was on for a while (and yes, got kicked off) tackled the Sunnee Plaza Pattaya end of the spectrum by the designation femboys, while still listing them under the classificatory umbrella of LBs. Fair enough. Jackson's finding holds for Vietnam as well as Thailand. Nowadays lots of such desired creatures encountered are what some might term femboys. I don't know yet the attitudes of BMs FMs here, but elsewhere these are duly accorded LB status. If you go to VN (advice: don't) on a LB quest expect to meet up with mostly femboys. For some FMs and BMs who don't want to know this, many will be merely gayboys too, not even more than a few mannerisms and maybe a bracelet consoling you - as you brush them aside - about their non hetero status.

To get out of the bollocks (whew, I almost typed an ugly sporting metaphor there) I will relate one example from the world of LBs as performance artists. About 15 months ago I was at a funeral, drinking through the night as you do. Godawful music and entertainment (questions marks hover above both those descriptors) being provided by a LB troupe: 6 or 7 LBs - I forget now - and a couple of roadies/stagehands. All LBs were unattractive to me in a physical sense, given they were not young, not pretty, not nicely built, not nicely dressed, lacking vivacious personalities. However, dog that I am, I made approaches. After flirting with several I was still keen to see what might transpire as the wee hours wend on. On one of my strolls into the dark alley which functioned as a pissoir for the death party, I was joined by one of these LBs. About 5'5" tall (155cm?), about 5'5" wide, girth at waist about 10', skin paler than a whiter shade, face like the full moon covered in toothpaste with a hard red slit where I gathered the mouth was. We urinated in tandem. I asked politely in Vietnamese: would you like me to suck your cock? She replied in English (hand held out palm upwards): give money. Securing my cock inside my fly I laughed and muttered some derisive comment I cannot recall. I rejoined my drinking group. I made no further approaches that night. Nor did they, even though through gossip the troupe now knew I was up for it.

Too old, too thick, too drunk, it didn't occur to me when I set up the thread, but I will ask belatedly: have any BMs or FMs any CMs? I would also be interested to learn about that.

I live in Vietnam. My cynical subtitle to this thread implies that the scene here is not that good. But when I joined the site I was asked could I write something about VN. I can, but there aint that much positive to report. Anyhow I will kickoff a thread, and perhaps visitors in the future will be able to know and add far more than I can, for now I am a relatively reluctant reclusive participant. Let me open by saying that in the far past, my early days here, LBs were everywhere. Street pickups, in bars, in more discreet venues, etcetera, so set it were. Then came the government & police crackdowns of the fin de siecle when all manner of places were shut down, street soliciting was largely (not totally) eliminated, and other depressing action taken as fun modes were prohibited. I recall vividly my very first sex event in VN (this dates to 1994) which was with 3 LBs. I'll say more about that anon, but in this opening post I will merely say that such a happening in my view just does not occur anymore. Nowadays most LBs I encounter are performance artists. They sing and play music (is it music?) at funerals, weddings, and other parties. They will go with you for sex, but the reality is - for most of them - who would want to? Old, fat, ugly (pardon me for my subjective judgments, for I am also old, fat & ugly; but I'm not asking you for money). Enough for a first post. I will say more below, and hope to hear positive info from young, active, handsome visitors to the place.

Thank you Lung. I do but try.

Larry's thread on sorting LBs by cock size (length) led me to think about the many ways you can classify cock. One of which might be types or varieties of modification. I know only a little about this issue and zilcho with regard to LBs. Apart from the sad and vastly disappointing (for ardent cock lovers) drastic action of surgical removal, I have not yet heard of many other forms of modification used by LBs. So I open this topic with a view to being enlightened by any info FMs or BMs may have on this issue. For those who aren't clear about what I mean let me say a few introductory words. The most common form of CM deployed throughout many cultures is circumcision. I have seen - as have you all no doubt - circumcised LBs. But almost always this is done early in life and is therefore not technically a choice option of the adult LB. In LB Land I have never heard of another widely practised form, subincision. This is when a cut is made from the base of the glans down the lower side of the shaft (see poor quality pic as my avatar) leading to pissing and cumming from down the shaft, after the manner of a cunt. This was practised in parts of Indigenous Australia and I was told that women who had experienced it would hold in contempt the idea of fucking any man who had not had it done. For the effect was beyond comparison: the subincised cock at point of male orgasm flared like the head of a cobra and apparently gave satisfaction inside the cunt that no woman had ever dreamed of or could imagine any other way. Another popular one - which I have also never heard of among LBs - is insertions. Things like beads are inserted in tiny cuts in the cock surface, and the when the wounds heal you get little hard bumps that are meant to enhance satisfaction in the receptor when the cock is inserted in him/her. I won't go on. I'm sure you get the picture (without pictures). I'd like to learn about this phenomenon in LBs if anybody has any info.

And Larry, it's your thread so your choice. But for blokes of my type for whom size is no big deal (love um all!), there are various other ways of sorting (as you no doubt know). One that has always had some minor influence on me is shape when aroused. I adore and worship what I call horizontal cocks, as below which always seduce me as seeming ready to go straight down your throat to hit your sternum if long enough. To be compared with other angles, curves (concave or convex), left or right inclination, etcetera, so bent it were. Example below: Notice that this one has a vertical standup, but then bends in a concave fashion and also away to (her) left. Quite complex erection shape. Then there are colours, which always fascinate me, from our own glans mauve - as Nabokov so beautifully described mainstream Caucasian heads, with our pink and reddish shafts and scraggy melon hued balls, through to the gorgeous rich shades of brown that keep me in Southeast Asia, honey through fine cut tobacco and on to almost black (at least inkwell dark). As I do not want to blither on too much, I will merely mention one more criterion by which such a classification may be made, albeit a special one, and that is cock modification. (In fact I'm tempted to start a thread on this as I know nought about it in the LB world) The image I have for my avatar is one example (not good pic I admit) of subincision. If you look carefully you will see the cock owner pissing from well down the shaft, not through the eye as we normally do. Very erotic. Many cultures and many individuals modify their cocks, with such cuts, with insertions, with all sorts of things. (Unfortunately too many Thai LBs want the ultimate modification: surgical removal). Boo hoo from cock lovers! Food for thought to think about other ways beyond length to classify your hundreds and thousands.

Hi taneisha, my first awareness of your existence. Good to meet you (by posts, that is). I like LB sites that have LBs as members, gives the place much more charm and class in my opinion. Hope we get to chat lots. :rolleyes:

I'm a sucker for noodle soups. Over the years I have enjoyed a wide variety from flash wonderfulness in Singapore through to two minute instants at home on a Sunday evening. I'm not very experienced in Thailand, having only been there on 4 short visits. But last time I ran into a lady in Soi 10 (Pattaya) with a little pushcart selling the most divine chicken noodle soup I have ever eaten. I like my soups hot but this just blew my head off (no, not that one, the noggin) via the several kinds of fresh and dried chilli mixes she adds or leaves you add as suits. Good well-cooked tender tasty chicken drumstick in the soup too along with other typical Asian boney bits. She wanders around in the evenings, and I never learned her route, but saw her from time to time on other drags. Also this last time I was surprised late at night outside various venues to encounter English pie carts. I partook of course, as pies is also good late beer belly nosh. Not bad. Not great, but darnwell OK for Asia.

I checked the first option (donkey vote) simply to build up your sample to satisfy your curiosity DLL. But I don't think I sternly fit either. I blurily fit both and some of the other options you listed (but not in poll). With me it's all over the place, highly dependent upon any given LB at any given time, state of wellbeing, grumpiness, or drunkenness.

Thanx for your efforts lads, but as you can see I now have the night sky during blackout as avatar. Don't know what's wrong. Maybe I have to give up on that image. I tried to upload both the bmp (failed) and the jpg (black quadrangle). Then I tried a totally different image from different source. Also gives me the black of deep space. Sam, the pink one is indeed one of those fertility rituals in Japan. I cannot enlighten more, as I have forgotten name of village etc.

This is not a big issue for me, but gut feeling is that I think it's OK as an idea. I agree with Lung that for those feeling their way (ha! aren't we all?) it's good to get such feedback. Nice to know your fellow FMs feel good about your contributions. I vote +1 for +1.