Dabbler

She works in Guess Bar, and speaks enough English to tell you her cock size, which isn't much (the cock size, not the English, but maybe both... :D ).

I’d argue that in a ladyboy establishment propitiously named “Anaconda”, customers could rightfully expect to find talent equipped with kielbasas rather than cocktail sausages :p

D.

Thanks Dabbler, that got a chuckle out of me. Actually I am both gauchiste and gaucher, and have been known to be gauche from time to time. So I am actually Lefty x 3

Then, you'd be called a "southpaw" in the States; "commie pinko southpaw" from the right, "progressive right-handedly challenged" from the left :)

D.

The rich Chinese can out Jew the Jews when it comes to dealings with money

I agree. I know the Cantonese well and they're better at making money than anyone else on Earth (or at least they're far more numerous than any other group of equal skills); but this in and out of itself is not necessarily a negative trait. I could have used a Cantonese wife in my life, I suppose :)

D.

Thank you for the photos. I love the ones with the Thai people taking care of their dogs and animals. Not sure that would happen most places.

This is Asia. Not everything is like it appears. Maybe they're rounding up the dogs for food, in case things get really bad :diablo:

Just kidding of course... But am I?

D.

OK OK OK!!! Geez. What a sore head.

Suffice to say Monsieur Gauche was intended as a sweet term of endearment. As you know I could never think of you any other way. Me and you and a dog named Boo.

Your explanation of "gauche" is correct: it means either "left" or "clumsy".

Your labeling of Mr. Lefty as "Gauche" is inappropriate however; the proper translation of "lefty" is "gauchiste" in this case (ie "politically on the left"). If his monicker were refering to him as being left-handed, then he would be a "gaucher".

I think therefore that we are dealing here with Mr. Gauchiste. Of course, he could be a gauchiste who is gauche because he's a gaucher :p

D

I did go to China once for a couple of weeks on one of my extended tours of asia and asiatic europe and got a pretty similar conception as Kelly about the Chinese,now I know a few Chinese in Uk and must say they come accross as really nice people but the reality was totally different in mainland China but as I say it was only a couple of weeks so I am not really in a position to judge the whole 1.5billion of them.

I spent 6 months in Hong Kong when it was run by the Uk while serving in the Armed Forces and found the people of Hong Kong , macau and Kowloon really nice and hospitable.

People I know who worked on the Mainland are either enthusiastic or very negative. Based on what I already know (good and bad), I can believe both. I think that it may also depends on the lenght of time people lived there.

D.

Though still working in Hong Kong, I've lived in Mainland China the last 4 years. I went with no preconceptions of Mainland Chinese people, but have developed a deep loathing and contempt for them, based on the disgusting, ignorant and filthy behavior that I've witnessed first hand.

Can you expand on that? Just really curious to see if some of my hunches and beliefs are correct. I had opportunities to work there that I passed on, based on what I know first-hand, and what people who worked there told me (not all of it was bad). I haven't been to China, but my experience with Chinese people is extensive (including working under Chinese bosses) but it has all been in the West, with both HK Cantonese and Mainland Chinese.

I like them and the culture in many ways, but I do have some prejudices based on various negatives experiences; usually the type of things were you catch people dropping the mask inadvertently. Lots of it boils down that that for the Chinese, if you're not Chinese... you're not Chinese that's all ;)

duplicate.

Hi Dabbler,

From my time on asfo I recall many interesting postings & characters, but at this point in my life my memory has assumed on a soft-focus filter for any details & specifics are just out of reach for me (& hard drive crashes deleted the "keepers").

An example being our mutually admired poster whose hiv status I conveniently don't remember, nor his alias or his girlfriend's name or even the screen name of the guy who ran the list. I remember him posting for a while in the beginning of my residency there, but he soon became just the silent owner of the list. I always felt there is a treasure trove of info on a very unique emerging subculture that was just starting to gel there, I wonder what has become of all that?

I'm still scratching my head on how I was oblivious to this Yahoo group mentioned... what was the asfo alias of the mod you mentioned? (I have 2-3 notions...)

Cheers.

Hi Hefe. The mod of the Yahoo group was "Oaktoad" on the post ASFO mailing list (but also on the old Usenet list), but I don't know what his alias was on Yahoo.

I tried to remember the alias of the HIV guy and I think it's "Bilbo" but I'm not sure 100%. Like you say, some of these things get filed in the back of our brain, or maybe erased altogether. For quite a few years, the list was the only serious game in town information-wise; I sure got good mileage out of it.

As for archives, you won't find any because--although a list member kept a private one on the web for a while--the list owner prefered it this way. In retrospect, it's probably a good policy. Here would be a good spot to insert a Latin quotation about the ravages of time ;)

In regards to lb forums, by the time I started looking into it ATS was already well established, so Jai Dee historical tour is very interesting. It seems to boil down to a very few serious "hobbyists" putting up the odd board here and there, and natural selection doing the rest.

D.

My primary "forum" then was the mailing list ASFO (which had originated on the newsgroups before they were terminally spammed).

Any former members here?

Some great stuff there in those years, but it was hetero & when someone brought up ladyboys they were generally criticized enough that it wasn't worth battling the noise. I think a number of guys there migrated to nanaplaza.com when the WWW came into it's own.

One notable exception on ASFO was a English fellow, who was an engaging writer, who recounted his maiden trip to Thailand & in several long reports over a few months detailed his meeting a ladyboy at Kings Corner 3 & falling head over heels for her & quitting his job & moving to Phuket with her & the inevitable collapse of the relationship & his pursuit of other ladyboys on his long drunken downward spiral. It was so well written & entertaining in a feverish way nobody complained that it was about katoeys.

"Any former members here? "

Present! :) I had no interest in lb's then, but I remember the lb afficionado you're talking about and he had reported contracting AIDS; we never found out how it ended though. He was neither sober nor prudent however, as you have alluded to; his posts were entertaining but it was like watching a train wreck (like many other stories from so many guys anyway).

One of the old-time members was in fact the moderator of the Yahoo Group mentioned by JaiDee ("questionable girls of Thailand") and he took occasional flak on the list for dabbling in lb's; a serious and informed amateur on all counts, that's for sure: always solid advice there. His usenet posts went back to the early 90's, pre-web.

[/start grumpy old man voice]

When you think of it, the quantity of info has changed, but not necessarily for the better: there is a lot of "noise" out there.

[/End grumpy old man voice]

D.

A warm welcome to the beautiful Koko Chanel!

http://www.ladyboyreview.com/profile/kokochanel91/

This one was very ill advised when she picked out a "nom de guerre", particularly if she intends to use the Internet for advertising (and obviously she is). She might as well have chosen "Lady Gaga" or "Vuitton" for a monicker. A name like "Jane" is almost as bad (too common) but at least she'd get some hits.

She's on the right track by using a first and last name though: it works much better for name recognition, differentiation, memorization, and of course search engine hits.

D.

Well if theres any more info how to contact her I could possibly have a S/T with her soon and take some with my new camala lol, it would be purely in the interests of this forum of course ;)

I admit to liking the look of Ellex and can feel myself sliding even more down that slippery slope, especially knowing shes "versatile"

I could be wrong, but the face is familiar; wasn't she on one of TheGame's trip reports?

D.

I can. In Afterskool, a BJ in the naughty-boys-corner is 700, although if you ask "how much", they might quote you more. Toy Bar, I got blown for 500 plus a ladydrink or two.

It is NOT true that Toy Bar is full of dogs. There are two real nice ones in there, and they work there because of good customer turnover.

Hi. You may have read my post before I edited it then, but I didn't say anything about the ladies being dogs, since my tastes are very eclectic, to say the least :) I was telling DT that if, like me, he occasionally dabbles in older (like 40's and up) high-mileage ladies, there usually are a couple in Toy Bar sitting around during the evenings in that bar, looking on the action as if they've seen it all (and they've probably have). But remembering that this is an LB-oriented site after all, I took it out as "too much information" :)

For the rates, I think that they may be justified, taking into account that between the ladies employed at shielding the action from other customers, and the one(s) working on the punter, these are labor-intensive bj/hj's :)

For tit lovers (and who isn't?) in Afterskool, regardless of personel turnover, another observation is that there are always--always!--several girls with huge hard-as-rock tits, and they're not silly cones (to borrow from Kahuna); I know because fake ones have the same effect on me than garlic on vampires :)

I'm glad I'm not the only one to like the place around here...

Ah-HA! So that's where Afterskool and the legendary Naughty Corner is located! I've always enjoyed the occasional semi-public blowjob (being blown, not providing!) so this has always appealed to the exhibitionist streak in me.

In that case, you can also put Toy Bar on your list (on the opposite side of the street in SC). It's a diddle bar similar to Afterskool, but not as good in my view (but you know how it comes and goes). Toy Bar is or used to be open early afternoon if that strikes your fancy. You can get a little crowd of them to work on you in the back. It's usually very quiet in the afternoon, with only a couple of regulars customers sipping a drink at the bar; or at least that's my experience.

I can't comment on the cost of getting blown in the bar (it's not my bag) but for diddling be prepared to invest in lady drinks and drop a few 100 notes here and there, and you'll get your money's worth.

I like SC, but I agree with what has been said about lb bars, the walk of shame and so on; it would never work with that setup.

D.

Good to know. I visited Soi Cowboy last year for the first time. I only spent an hour or so but it was early in the evening, smokey in most of the clubs, and I didn't see anything that made me want to come back. Obviously I missed the real talent, and would like to check the scene out again this year.

Which clubs do you recommend most highly EyeMahk? I respect your eye for talent and would love to hear more.

P.S. - thanks for the great tips last year, some of your recommendations were among the very highlights of my trip.

I ain't EyeMahk, but you could do a lot worse than checking out Afterskool. It's a "diddle" bar with a "naughty corner" if you want a bj or hj in-house. Never had a bad time or barfine there, and I started frequenting it well over 10 years ago. Just writing the name of the place puts a smile on my face :)

Also, there are (or were) a few LB's on SC, but most were posties posing as women to catch the unwary punter (in Midnite bar for instance) and in my view this is bad juju all around.

D.

Oh and the new interior sees the removal of the old bar area giving it a less "loungey" feel.

Wouldn't that be a negative turn of events, considering that this is a "diddle bar" and a "loungey" decor helps? :)

D.

All good things (and all bad things I suppose) must one day come to a close...

So you heard it here first...Well, maybe not first but close to first...

The once famous infamous notorious Pattaya ladyboy establishment...Hi Boss Bar...is closed...

And it is too late I fear to gather a bit of memorabilia...A piece of stained bed sheet...A shard of glass...A drip of dried cum...

It has been gutted and is being remodeled as I type to make way, as we were told, for a brand new GG bar...As if there aren't enough GG bars filled with starving fat GGs on Soi 6 already...How stupid is that...

At any rate the death of an institution...

RIP Hi Boss...

Aargh! It was on my list of things to do before I die It will be interesting to see where the talent will find a new home. Release the hounds!

D.

A bottle of Johnny Walker Red Label was purchased at a Phnom Penh minimart for $12.50.

Later that evening in Classic nightclub the same bottle cost $49 and didn't include mixers

... but the show was very good

Hi. Thanks for the info. So if it can be bought at the Minimart in PP, I suppose that it's probably the same deal in BKK and not worth bringing back as a gift. I think that it would cost more than $12.50 to buy it duty-free in the States.

D.

Slightly off-topic--but not too much... If you want to bring a carton (10-packs or 20 packs?) of off-duty cigarettes as a gift for a Thai smoker, is there a brand that is much sought after (US or British)? In some countries, a carton of Marlboro's or Camels is appreciated. Or are these brands so cheap in Thailand that it's not worth bothering? I don't smoke so I have no idea on prices or taste. I know that at my end a carton of off-duty Camels was about US$33 last time I picked one up for a friend at the airport.

Regarding booze, I know that they drink so-called Thai whisky, but with the same idea as above, would a Thai boozer appreciate a Western whisky? I'm not talking about really fine stuff, more like something like Johnny Walker, al recognizable brand. Again, no idea there either on local prices or taste.

Thanks

Dabbler

Some people prefer the enhancements, some don't.

Personally I think a perfect set of bolt-ons are a miracle of plastic surgery & look better than natural tits. And they complete the illusion, I just can't imagine the big names in the LB world ever having their fame without them.

A comment about my statement that it isn't the surgeon to blame for mis-shapen boobs, can you imagine a respected plastic surgeon fitting the implants on the operating table & seeing one tit pointing up & the other pointing down & saying "that's close enough, she's only a katoey, she'll have to put up with it"

By the time the girl is wheeled out of the operating theatre with both breasts securely taped in place, they have been aligned perfectly. The comment from the girls when they say they are OK for sex is all about giving the customer the confidence that he can safely proceed.

Please remember they will say anything for a barfine & when the girl is still tender from her operation, treat them with care.

I had never thought of the "going back to work too soon" as a factor, but it makes sense. I agree with the commercial factor driving these things. For the rest it's a question of taste: I wouldn't argue on that.

D.

It is never the surgeon's fault. It is idiots mauling the girl's tits before the implant has been secured by the tissue growing around them. It takes about 3 months before they aren't in danger of slipping out of place.

Of course the girls can't wait that long, they need money immediately so they have to risk it. I have seen many new sets of bolt-ons but I know not to touch them or very gently if I am invited to.

I have seen girls reduced to tears by some moron who pounced on her new chest squeezing the life out of them. This idiot was so happy, he had his Heineken, he had his smokes & he had the biggest shit-eating grin from being the first guy to cop a feel of some tits he thought he had every right to grab.

He had no idea that he had just ruined the girl's life & she now had to live with the consequences of what had happened to her. The guy on the other hand walked away thinking what a wonderful country because he knows he would be locked up if he tried that at home.

And he is no doubt one of the arseholes who posts about lousy surgery everytime he sees a titjob gone wrong. Honestly, some days I could just scream.

Hi Pacman. I love tits, but I find the fake ones--on women or men--as attractive as a wooden leg, so I can affirm that I'm not the guy ruining the tit jobs by squeezing them. I'll say however, that the tit jobs invariably ruin perfectly serviceable femboys :)

An appropriate song:

Dabbler

Greetings Dabbler

Your not Franck are you?

He was a bit of a Dabbler :D

Hey Duke. I'll be frank: I'm not Frank, whoever he is (I have only a vague idea) :)

D.

DT,

Leave Dabbler alone. He does not need to divulge his original name. Why should he? He felt there was a need to change it and voila, he did. Good for him.

Everyone needs the clean option of re-inventing themselves every once in awhile. Nothing wrong with that IMHO.

SiamSam (aka, hmmm... well... only my close friends know. Some of whom I've told and others that simply figured it out due to my pathetically unique illiterate style of mangling the Queen's English.)

I am sure Unc will chirp up and comment...

Well, that was the idea anyway, but I have actually hinted at on this thread, and yes, as I hope to put down my bag here, I'd rather see the old alias buried. Nothing to lose by letting it on though. Most guys won't even recognize it and we can leave it at that. Off with the old and in with the new... :)

D.

Please excuse the quick threadjack my dear Franck.... er, woops, DABBLER

My pet peeve is people that change their avatar after I've spent ages knowing them as that, ESPECIALLY anyone whom I've not actually met in person. I build up a certain impression of them partly based upon their avatar, so when they suddenly change it is very disconcerting. Like a cherished buddy from the bowling team suddenly showing up with a green striped Mohawk. Or the young hottie in the office with the green striped mohawk suddenly appears 300 pounds and 40 years older one day. It's just not right.

You are good. :bow: But you know too much. Orders will be given, and minions dispatched.

Either way glad to have you here! (And what name did you say you used to go by?)

Bond. James Bond...