10 hours ago, The-Sith said:

RXpharm....we can agree to disagree. But I am absolutely flabbergasted how gullible and naive white people have become in this world.

Yes, we do disagree, and yet you have jumped to the conclusion that I am a China apologist or supporter. There is no doubt China is a bad actor, their actions in trying to expand their influence in Asia/Pacific and Africa are just as disgusting as the US and many European countries did in their pasts.

You seem to be "salivating" at the prospect of revenge on China, accepting as fact a lot of things that remain conjecture without firm proof. If those things make you feel better and comforted in your beliefs, fine.

I am happy that there are more sanctions arising against China for their actions regarding the Uyghurs, and for their cavalier treatment of expats in China as political pawns. What I am not happy is wholesale zealous propaganda of a conspiracy theory that remains unproven.

It is so easy for you to toss around words denigrating WHO - when you seem not to understand how they operate. WHO is a consultative agency = they cannot force governments to follow their policies and recommendations. It works best when countries engage and participate - so what happened when the US withdrew at the beginning of Trump's term? Of course US influence diminishes.

Can you imagine if there was an investigation in the US of a virus lab - do you honestly think they would be totally transparent and provide all their documentation, samples etc? The WHO investigation is the ONLY way we will get any idea of what happened other than starting a war - which seems to be what you are angling at for "revenge" against China for their "deliberate" release of a bio weapon.

There have been some preliminary findings released and it looks like the conclusion is that COVID 19 resulted from the wildlife trade in China that were exposed to bats carrying the virus. This is similar to other pandemics that have started in the past, and those which will likely happen in the future. The official report should be out soon. If you and many others continue to promulgate this conspiracy theory, preventative measures that need to taken in other areas of the world that are possible pandemic originating centers may be delayed, as the desire for revenge and punishment divert will, resources and action to solve the real risks of pandemic causes.

Here is an excellent nostalgic video recalling the days of King's Corner and King's Castle 3. The poster is an amazing ladyboy fan (I think Japanese or Korean) who made an encyclopedic guide of Bangkok lb bars, and some of the popular lbs working in them.

Unfortunately the scenes he has documented will be vastly different when things reopen in Thailand.

Here's to the good old days!

Due to the fact the poster has made this an age restricted video, it must be viewed at the Youtube site, otherwise an age restricted warning appears, and the video will not play.

https://youtu.be/ftmyIid8L9E

I am not in a rush looking to blame and will wait for the WHO team to produce their report. What benefit or good results in looking to blame a country before facts are reported? If you have looked back at the history of the Spanish Flu you can see a lot of the same issues that happened then, as now. The revealing thing is that the US successfully deflected the blame away from themselves as the likely originating country for the Spanish Flu.

6 hours ago, P&G said:

 

I can't say that I agree with what you say but I don't disagree either. 

I'd rather focus on Lusi Mustang. I didn't know this ladyboy till I read your post. I had probably seen her pics at the time she was doing porn when porn stars were Areeya or Longmint but I hadn't memorized her name. For those who don't know her, it seems that many of her vids had been removed from ladyboy69. However here is her page at shemaledb : Lusi free galleries at ShemaleStarDB.com

a couple of her videos : Lusi - Shemale Pornstar Model at aShemaleTube.com

The Sith is correct, Lusi Mustang did revert to being a gay man as posted on The Ladyboy Forums back in 2014.

Now going by the name of Louis Mustang - I do not have any photos of him.

The key is finding out what actually led to the muderer's actions. The police chief saying "he had a bad day" is a reflection of society trivializing horrific events as if it should be excused as a minor event.

His excuse that he is a sex addict and had to remove temptations I think is disingenuous. This case needs far deeper investigation to determine the motive(s), and also there needs to be a determination of how society has allowed such acts to become trivialized by a significant portion of the population. 

Once that is done, then effective measures can be undertaken to reduce these kinds of problems.

That's good news!  Bangladesh has a fairly conservative Muslim majority population and have not been very tolerant of ts/tg in the past. Let's hope this leads to more acceptance for ts/tg in Bangladesh!

On 3/10/2021 at 9:45 PM, globetrotter1 said:

I'm pretty surprised they can get away with talking so graphically about shit like that on holier than thou youtube

It takes a while to figure out what they are saying. There are a few words of slang I don't understand. What I found most interesting was the attitudes they have compared with the Thai lbs I know.

Youtube posters have an option to restrict their viewers to adults only (18+), so anyone younger will be blocked out. It would not show up for younger searchers, even if they searched directly for it.  Of course this assumes that the registered Youtuber put their actual birth year in correctly. There will always be some that don't, but I think the majority do.

Here's a Youtube video by Elena Genevine (a US-Vietnamese preop TS) discussing the topic with her preop TS friend Dani.

Elena is a Youtube Influencer and also has an "Only Fans" webpage. Interesting to see the attitude some US ts have vs. Thai TS who we know.

4 hours ago, outsider said:

Just for clarification does "GG" mean a natural-born woman?

yes, gg = genetic girl

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Thanks for the update in Vietnam. It is at least as hard hit as Thailand regarding the effect on ladyboys, and the tourism economy. Let's hope that this year will be better with the vaccine roll outs, and reduction of cases.

This is a very interesting Youtube video by Nisamanee Nutt, Thai lb Youtube influencer, business lady and former Miss Mimosa Queen interviews a couple - a Thai ladyboy (Miss TIffany 2015) and a Tom (butch lesbian) genetic girl.

There are English subtitles, and she even asks some intimate questions, which are answered as well.

7 hours ago, The-Sith said:

Pharma is about creating annuities. Twice per year. And Maybe for the rest of our lives.... the Spanish Flu eventually became the seasonal flu with us to this day.

This is not only true of pharma - think any big multinational corporation and their strategies are all the same - hook the consumer on a never ending cycle of purchases - whether it is upgrading to the newest model, or using buying pricey consumables, and of course planned obsolescence.

Unfortunately the Robin Hood CEO has bowed to pressure and shut down trading on Game Stop (GME), Blackberry, Nokia and AMC.

The corporate elite are putting the pressure on. It seems that Robin Hood was sellng data on what was being traded on Robin Hood apparently to some hedge fund managers and anyone else willing to pay - (no fee trading, no fees, but selling data).

81 million people voted against President Trump, unless you believe his claims that the vote was "rigged".

"Free speech" has always had limits in the USA, and most other democratic countries. When the leader of the country calls for crowds to mass at the capitol building on January 6, and then encourages them to march on the building to halt the process of announcing and confirming the results of the electoral college votes - that is not draining the swamp.

Social media companies have made it clear that there are limits on what can be posted - however, I do agree with you the rules are not evenly enforced so there needs to be a review on this and they are made to follow consistent standards.

Yes, all the best to Annat, and I've sent him a pm on information I hope he finds helpful.

11 hours ago, seven said:

rxpharm, Ive noticed you only post videos by asians. Why is that?

The jig is up, I am actually an agent recruited and paid for by the Chinese Communist party to subvert the members of ladyboy forums to believe that China is a benevolent peace loving country that is under continued attack by the imperialist US and its allies.

Actually the reason why I post South Korean videos about COVID 19 is that they tend to have the most succinct and clear explanations. I also follow Dr. John Campbell's Youtube Channel - he has a PhD in nursing from the UK, I've posted a couple his videos on TLF, but not here.

I am glad to hear that you do follow mitigation guidelines. The belief about the virus origins has an effect on people's attitudes to guidelines on control measures as I posted previously in this thread from a research article posted in Sage

People who believe in alternate virus origins tend to disregard guidelines to prevent virus spread.

Regarding the use of masks - unfortunately many Western countries gave out poor advice due to shortages of PPE - this was not a good excuse, as most Asian countries promoted mask use from the beginning. To give out such advice without giving the reason why led to the problems seen in a few countries with "anti-maskers".

Are you familiar with the argument that milk leads to drug abuse? All drug abusers have drunk milk, so it must be the cause of their addition. There is a direct correlation with the use of milk and drug abuse. It is statistically significant and the odds are a trillion to one that milk is not the cause.

All the facts you have posted are true, but there has not been definite proof. If that proof comes out, then yes, I will believe it.  Until it comes out it is a correlation that is not necessarily a causation.

The Sith, I answered the question you posed to me - why didn't you answer the question I posed to you?

Are you ignoring the mitigation guidelines because you believe the theory of China creating this bioweapon is true - so you don't care about anything else?  Are you going to refuse the vaccine? Do you encourage other people to disregard mitigation guidelines? It isn't mental gymnastics to wait for more information, but certainly continuing viral infection and prolonging pandemic results from ignoring mitigation guidelines.

In time we will hopefully find out more about the virus, and its origins, but as stoolpusher rightly posted, we need to care about our family and friends too.

Here is a recent Asian Boss video interview with Professor Kim, South Korea's top infectious diseases expert from Korea University Guro Hospital, discussing updates regarding the COVID 19 virus. I recommend viewing this video.

1 hour ago, The-Sith said:

But my question to you specifically, do you 100% exclude the virology labs in Wuhan as the source of this virus?

Right now I would say it is highly unlikely. Many experienced and competent scientists from Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Europe and the US have come to the conclusion that this virus is not synthetic/made in a lab. That doesn't rule out the possibility of a lab accident, but makes the theory this is a genetically engineered "bioweapon" unlikely.

As I have posted in the past, there is still a lot we don't know about the virus - the Italians have now found indications that suggest it may be been present as early as September 2019 as antibodies have been detected in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020.  Other countries are also finding that cases were found months earlier than initially thought.

Does that rule out China as the source? Perhaps not - but then it could be indications that the origin MAY have been somewhere else. To focus and promote theories that are not supported by clear evidence distract and inhibit effective control efforts to slow down the spread of COVID 19 before the vaccine is widely administered. The study I posted about attitudes regarding the origin of the COVID 19 pandemic and receptiveness to guidelines/regulation to mitigate the spread of the virus is a concern. It doesn't take a significant percentage of a population to reject these guidelines/regulations to keep a pandemic going. Of course it is made worse when authorities fail to follow the guidelines/regulations as well.

Also it reduces the resources available to reduce established causes of pandemic propagation - deforestation, crowded animal husbandry in developed nations, effective enforcement against illegal wild animal trade, etc.

My question to you is do you want revenge/retribution on China more than your willingness to follow guidelines to mitigate the spread of COVID 19? If so then what good will that do for the people around you?

Here's an article published in the editorial section of the British Medical Journal, October 19, 2020. It has not been externally peer reviewed and is an opinion work, but still has value in the opinion expressed.

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Covid-19’s known unknowns

BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m3979 (Published 19 October 2020)

Cite this as: BMJ 2020;371:m3979

1. George Davey Smith, professor in clinical epidemiology1,  
2. Michael Blastland, writer and broadcaster2,  
3. Marcus Munafò, professor of biological psychology1
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1. George Davey Smith, professor in clinical epidemiology1,  
2. Michael Blastland, writer and broadcaster2,  
3. Marcus Munafò, professor of biological psychology1

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1. Correspondence to: G Davey Smith PA-ieudirector@bristol.ac.uk

The more certain someone is about covid-19, the less you should trust them

In 2019, the medical historian Mark Honigsbaum concluded his book The Pandemic Century by saying: “The only thing that is certain is that there will be new plagues and new pandemics. It is not a question of if, but when.”1

Look around and you might wonder if he was hopelessly wrong. Not about the pandemic, which turned up almost before his ink was dry, but about there being only one certainty. In the “science” of covid-19, certainties seem to be everywhere. Commentators on every side—academic, practitioner, old media or new—apparently know exactly what’s going on and exactly what to do about it.

We are not talking about those who insist that hydroxychloroquine will save us all, or who call face masks “muzzles” or “face nappies,” or who declare that many detected covid-19 cases are false positives. We can also leave aside those who sidestep reality to suggest that we’ll have a world free of covid-19 within months if we simply follow their advice.

Rather, we are thinking of the many rational people with scientific credentials making assertive public pronouncements on covid-19 who seem to suggest there can be no legitimate grounds for disagreeing with them. If you do, they might imply, it’s probably because you’re funded by dark forces or vested interests, you’re not evidence based, you’re morally blind to the harm you would do, you’re ideologically driven (but I’m objective), you think money matters more than lives, your ideas are a dangerous fantasy . . . . On they go, duelling certitudes2 in full view of a public desperate for simple answers and clarity—even when, unfortunately, these may not exist.

Conveying “certainty”

The certainty can be explicit or implied. In just one area—infectious disease modelling—there are many examples. One is the use of precise numbers to convey certainty, often with faux qualification. In the foundational Imperial College model, the authors predicted “approximately 510 000 deaths”3 for an unmitigated epidemic in Great Britain. With any reasonable uncertainty, such an approximation would be expressed as “half a million.” The shifting denominator between Great Britain and the United Kingdom used when communicating this figure would in itself make a difference of considerably more than 10 000. The need to appropriately convey uncertainty—in infectious disease models and more generally—has been emphasised by statisticians for decades.45

Another example is the added traction that claims achieve because of the reputation—institutional or personal—under which they are advanced, and which would receive little credence if advanced by others. For example, the Institute of Health Metrics and Evaluation—which produces the authoritative Global Burden of Disease reports—released a curve fitting model with strikingly low estimates of the future burden of covid-19 in the US.6 Although popular with President Trump, the model was rapidly revealed as misleading.16

A third example is the creation of a new argument while quietly ignoring an earlier claim that has since been discredited. Models produced from two opposing camps in discussions on covid-19—Independent SAGE and the instigators of the Great Barrington declaration—both suggested that a high proportion of the UK population was infected during the first wave of covid-19.78 Substantial serological survey evidence showed that this was probably not so. Both sides then produced models that embraced work by others,910 showing that heterogeneity in contact or susceptibility in the population could dampen infection trajectories, but without explicitly acknowledging their earlier conclusions.1112

We could find similar examples for every aspect of covid-19 science—discussions of whether viral mutation is changing SARS-CoV-2 infectiousness or virulence, the extent of personal immunity to SARS-CoV-2 generated by previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 or another endemic coronavirus, the infection fatality rate, the value of different testing strategies, the effect of school closures, what we can learn from international comparisons, and so on. Strongly contrasting but apparently equally authoritative statements are made about all of these and more.

Of course, overconfidence about our understanding of covid-19 comes in various guises. One is when the evidence changes little but conclusions based on it harden, as with the value of facemasks in the early stages of the pandemic. Views polarise alongside the increasing certainty with which they are expressed, as if we are in a trench war where giving an inch risks losing a mile.

Another comes in the form of the “armchair epidemiologist” who seems blessed with the astounding ability of star economists and physicists to fully assimilate and transcend within weeks what infectious disease specialists have learnt over decades. The seriousness with which they are received in some circles is likely to be damaging. Similar over-reaching is seen within the broad range of disciplines that are central to epidemic disease management, with some academics who are ubiquitous across every media appearing to have complete and cutting edge knowledge on everything from macroeconomics through sociological and psychological science to stochastic RNA mutation. Dealing with pandemics is an inherently multidisciplinary task, and expertise in one area does not confer expertise in another.

Respecting uncertainty

Acknowledging uncertainty a little more might improve not only the atmosphere of the debate and the science, but also public trust. If we publicly bet the reputational ranch on one answer, how open minded can we be when the evidence changes?

People may worry that acknowledging uncertainty risks a loss of authority, but this seems unlikely to be true13— the government’s trustworthiness or authority has not increased with the confidence of its “game changing” pronouncements.

Similarly, to allege that anyone who speaks of uncertainty is a “merchant of doubt”14 or exposes science to attack from these quarters, is to concede vital scientific ground by implying that only certainty will do. Generally, and particularly in the context of covid-19, certitude is the obverse of knowledge.

Returning to our starting point, two unequivocal authorities have written that “As our understanding of influenza viruses has increased dramatically in recent decades we have moved ever further from certainty about the determinants of, and possibilities for, pandemic emergence.”15 Their point is illustrated by the largely unexpected pandemic of coronavirus disease hitting a world bristling with influenza pandemic management plans.

When deciding whom to listen to in the covid-19 era, we should respect those who respect uncertainty, and listen in particular to those who acknowledge conflicting evidence on even their most strongly held views. Commentators who are utterly consistent, and see whatever new data or situation emerge through the lens of their pre-existing views—be it “Let it rip” or “Zero covid now”—would fail this test.

Footnotes

• Competing interests: We have read and understood BMJ policy on declaration of interests and declare that all three authors have been wrong about covid-19. MM and MB initially believed substantial undocumented transmission meant that a large proportion of the UK population was infected during the first wave. Subsequent seroprevalence surveys indicated that this was not the case. GDS thought that SARS-CoV-2 would be amplified through children and substantial mortality displacement would be observed. Neither has been the case.

 

On 12/21/2020 at 2:57 AM, seven said:

So the Wuhans are enjoying themselves while we are struggling with their virus:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/photos-wuhans-vibrant-nightlife-show-173453193.html

• People in Wuhan, China, are out in the streets and partying without masks, which makes it look like life is basically back to normal in the city.

Isn't this exactly what happened in major UK, US and European cities when lockdown measures were eased? Then the 2nd and 3rd infectious peaks came by. It is human nature to celebrate when strict measures are lifted - and we will wait and see if their celebrations will cause another round of outbreaks in Wuhan. China is closely monitoring the situation so they should be able to localize any outbreaks quickly without more widespread infections.

2 hours ago, The-Sith said:

We don't just have a new strain.....we have an entirely bioengineering disease that will be with us in multiple variants each and every year.

This is unprecedented. As one scientist said....something this different from its predecessors would have taken 800 years to evolve to Covid 19s current form.

We have something engineered, which

 

1. Is highly contagious (Shi Zhengli the coronavirus scientist in Wuhan published her works pre Covid 19 on using S Protiens to make coronaviruses more contagious between humans and animals and humans. She is a world leading scientist in this area aand especially on coronaviruses from bats. HOW COINCIDENTAL she does her Lab work in Wuhan! And she is known as The Bat Lady, pre Covid.

 

Is @rxpharm
still wondering about the source?

 

2. Its like a trojan horse. Unlike almost all other such diseases, you can spread yet be asymptomatic! With SARS, you needed to have a fever to spread it. So it could be detected. This one very ingeniously can trojan horse its way through populations.

 

3. Attacks the immune system and organs. Its not just attacking lungs...it attacks the heart, it attacks the brain, it attacks the nervous system. Im not sure what part of the engineering led to this but I have read this virus has been spliced with parts of the HIV virus (I want to state that I have NOT researched this enough to say either way this is true of false, like I can say for No.1 above).

 

The government and the people in the PRC are trained to just go after their goal no matter what the consequences. I.e. no morality needs to restrain attaining the goal. Hence, we have a situation where its likely a virus leaked from their lab. This is the new normal because we will see this type of carelessness again in the future again and again. Not just viruses but other areas too.

 

Regarding your point 2 - this is a faulty conclusion - there are other infectious diseases that can have asymptomatic transmission. One of the best documented and known cases was "Typhoid Mary" who carried the typhoid bacteria but never had symptoms. It was estimated she infected 53 people who died from the Typhoid infection. Other examples are: HIV, C. difficile, influenzas, cholera, and tuberculosis.

Mutations of infectious diseases are not uncommon. The statement that one scientist says 800 years before this many mutations could have evolved is not supported by the general scientific community. It also would be beneficial to see just how this scientist was able to come to this conclusion.

There is a thought provoking research article published by Sage on September 10, 2020 regarding people's beliefs on the origins of COVID and then their corresponding support of various reactions to the pandemic. I would urge you all to read this article - a bit long, so I will just quote the abstract here.

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Framing the Origins of COVID-19

 

 

Toby Bolsen, Risa Palm, Justin T. Kingsland

First Published September 10, 2020 Research Article

https://doi.org/10.1177/1075547020953603

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Abstract

Conspiracy theories have flourished about the origins of a novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) that causes an acute respiratory syndrome (coronavirus disease 2019 [COVID-19]) in humans. This article reports the results from a study that evaluates the impact of exposure to framed messages about the origins of COVID-19. We tested four hypotheses: two focusing on its origins as either zoonotic or human-engineered and two concerning the impacts of origin beliefs on the desire to penalize China or support increased funding for biomedical research. The results accentuate the importance of finding ways to combat the spread of misinformation and conspiracy theories related to this global pandemic.