HectorSonOfTroy

Am 11.10.2023 um 18:46 Uhr sagte HectorSonOfTroy:

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19 hours ago, Dan Miller said:

Looks like miss Jigsaw made some positive vibes around Franks in Shadow bar. 

Miss Pie, a cute 22yo,  follows her 

Credits to Franks Tgirl World 

I now have to increase the dose of my high blood pressure tablets!!! Thank you, sir...Aww....so damn HOT!

16 hours ago, The-Sith said:

@Rom actually I think this is 100% on topic. And we should not divide the thread.

 

For serial mongers... guys who have been down the rabbit hole of sexy LB hookers.... this is the reality all of us face. It's the "Hassle Factor" that comes with the adventure we take.

 

For tourists (hope that word not insensitive).... Hassle Factor comes in the form of getting pushed to buy more drinks or bar fine a girl....or bar fine two girls.

 

But for the mean streets of BKK for serial mongers like us.... that's the stuff we learned to deal with within our first or second year into it.

Go deeper into the rabbit hole and the "Hassle Factor of BKK" becomes the type of true hassles that Aitch and The Sith are talking about. We are both keeping it real and being honest and open.

 

1. LBs with Yabba dependence (plus HRT imbalances)

2. pushing for more money than originally bargained thru argument

3. threat of violence and actual violence

4. threat of rape (in the case of The Sith) and actual rape (in the case of Aitch....kudos for being a stud Brother and talking about that experience openly because it's a real "Hassle Factor" that's out there that a LB gets so horney that she can't control herself and crosses lines of consent.... that would throw some people into a victimized tailspin that they never recover from .....so again I have massive respect for Aitch and his maturity and high EQ).

5. extortion

6. BnB brought in for that extortion

7. Other threats (Hassles) that are deployed to extort more cash from us.

 

 

These are the TRUE Hassle Factors for any man who goes deep into fucking Ladyboys for sport. It's the PhD level.

 

waiving off an aggressive Mamasan and aggressive LB in the cozy environment of a Lounge or GoGoBar is kids play (sorry....I feel like I have to apologize every time I say something that sounds offensive to people on here....which I hope we can move on from because this is an adult forum and I don't want to qualify and watch every single word I write to make sure it is uber sensitive for everyone. Drink Hassles are kids play.... rape, violence and extortion are the real when you go deeper).

Dealing with a deranged LB that is strung out on meth and taking a shit load of hormones.....who is holding a knife to your face.... or holding a compromising photo of you....or threatening to punch you out....or actually hitting you....or trying to shove her cock in your ass without consent.....or threatening to make a scene in your hotel and attract the attention of management and perhaps police is the REAL HASSLE FACTOR that guys like you and me and Aitch and other Pros have to be aware of out there.

 

We both listed stories that really happened. And this is not the only time I have faced that type of thing.....nor is it unique for BMs on this Forum to face such "Hassles". It's reality.

And we both talked about techniques of what to do and what not to do in those situations and had wise comments from other experienced LB mongers.

So do NOT divide this thread.

 

It's 100% on point.

 

The chat Aitch and I have is the PhD level of LB mongering in BKK. And that's why we come to this Forum. For PhD level content.

 

Thanks to @Aitch for keeping it real and mature.

 

Bravo Brother.

 

 

Very valuable information, thank you Sir!

Just now, HectorSonOfTroy said:

I agree with you, sir! I can't compare sausage to sushi! I loke both, but not on the same plate. In Germany i enjoy the taste of sushi, in Thailand i only want sausage...

* "I LIKE both..." 

3 hours ago, Rom said:

A couple days ago a transgender woman was for the first time allowed to enter the Miss Portugal contest and she won it. She is very attractive and I am all for transgenders but I think it is wrong that they are allowed to compete in competitions with born-women where having been born a man tends to be an advantage.  Be it beauty pageants or athletics.

In this case the Miss Portugal winner besides being a tranny was also much older (28) than the GGs some of whom were patently more attractive and more feminine in the pageant's classical sense of beauty (that excludes fat chics and much older women).  As hot as she is, the tranny won because of the novelty and shock factors and the press it will generate and a desire to show inclusion despite it being at the expense of the rest of the candidates.  (The news reports say she "enchanted the audience with her personality and answers to the questions").

In sports it's even more unfair and if transgenders are allowed to compete the GGs and their world-records will quickly be obliterated from competition by second tier male athletes opportunistically declaring themselves transgenders.

What do you all BMs think ?

It seems that prior to the Miss Portugal, the Miss Netherlands 2023 is also a transwoman (and there was also a Miss Spain 2018).  Miss Netherlands is younger than Miss Portugal but IMHO not nearly as attractive.  I will say no more and call on @Dan Miller (the Dutch BM with the rainbow flag for the avatar) to introduce her and tell us what he thinks.

In the meantime, here is my Miss Portugal 2023.

 

I agree with you, sir! I can't compare sausage to sushi! I loke both, but not on the same plate. In Germany i enjoy the taste of sushi, in Thailand i only want sausage...

33 minutes ago, Zeppie said:

With the pills, cosmetics, surgeries and wigs.........heck even you rom could look good............

as for men competing in girls events, its just plan wrong, and worse the media shoves it in your faces.  Freedom is great and is a right.  Ideology is destructive and divisive.   

Absolutely right, sir! What doping is in sport, is cosmetic surgery in beauty contest...

10 hours ago, Rom said:

greetings Hector SoT.  Cheers snoop and thanks a LOT for raising the possibility of me being "booted off".  Hope you enjoy the TR.  I am not Ian Fleming (you are!) but I do my best.

I am writing this from BKK and last night was my last in Pattaya and it was memorable.  So much so that I am going to TR it in 3 parts:

MY LAST NIGHT IN PATTAYA (part 1 of 3)

I spent the afternoon yesterday doing the shopping I should have done sooner--gifts and a new suitcase to replace the one I brought that got busted.  I had decided to give the previous night's cute, innocent Icezy a second chance (and myself a second helping) and at 8 something PM went to her bar with the pretext to return some stuff she had left in my room, but she was NOT in the bar. I asked if she had been barfined or had not come to work but the GGs didn't want to tell me.

So I moved on to plan B which was another young pretty thing I had seen on a soi 7 bar when I walked by a couple nights ago, but I was not even sure if she was a ladyboy.  So I went back but did not see any young pretty thing ladyboy or GG.

Plan C walk to Delirious and see if Pepsi wants a 3rd barfine (she did not) or the just-returned Beauty wanted a reunion (she was drinking and left with another farang).  At some point a guy rang the bell and the girls all gathered to drink the shots.  I thought it would make for a good pic and positioned myself to take it from the best angle.   Seeing me, a Coronel Sanders-looking dork with a fancy camera and hand-held flash had the nerve to position himself right in front of me and I was so pissed I pushed him out of the way.  He did not apologize or protest.  After I took my pic (below) I took another wider-range one of him taking the pic and the girls.  I would post it here but mod1 would not like it.

I had no plan D.  So I decided to do what I had meant to do the whole trip but never got round to it because of the other opportunities that presented themselves.  You may recall and I am on record in this Board that last trip I posted that a fancy ladyboy by the name of Anny was the "new Lily." I concede that I may have exaggerated but for sure she would make most Pattaya mongers' TOP 10.  When I met her she worked at Pook and I posted a photo of her there playing pool but chose not to report on our ST because of concern with being heroed and in view of the fact that she did not want me to take pics and I would not resist posting some if I TRed.  Now she works at Bon Bar and this trip every time I passed by she was either busy with another dude or showed no interest in me coming in for a drink because one (and only one!) of the twins I fucked on the last trip works there now and that twin was the one jumping at me the moment I passed.  Well yesterday it was more of the same.  Anny was with an indian customer and the twin hustled me for a drink.  But I held firm and refused (plus to a couple others who came over) so I could stay alone looking at Anny who eventually dropped the Indian and joined me.  I tried and tried and offered more money for a LT but she says she doesn't do them.  Plus she gave me a really cheap ST rate.  So off to my room we went and I just love how she looks naked and in bed all spread.  She is taller than me and very white skinned and her body is like a beautiful farang woman's.  She did not want me to take pics and there was a moment when she threatened to walk out despite my cock being fully up her ass so I stopped.  Still I managed enough pics some of which I share below not caring anymore what happens.  As a sidenote, Anny told me something I had never heard before which was that "ladyboys don't like morning sex because they are not clean."  Makes sense although many ladyboys have allowed me morning sex.  In the future I will keep track of whether there is a correlation between morning fucking and shit on the condom.  To sum up:  Anny is awesome to fuck and I will barfine her again if I have a chance.

It was relatively early in the night and I was on a monger's high for having scored and fucked Anny, so I decided to up the ante and go after another even more beautiful ladyboy who I did not even know who she was.  But she will be the subject of Part 3 of this mini-series.  Part 2 will be an unusual post.  Here are some pics from last night:

 

I don't understand your ramblings about Ian Fleming, but thanks for the photos. Pictures say more than a thousand words...

2 hours ago, Rom said:

It's another day in Pattaya and I find myself alone in the room and wondering what my next move should be since tonight will be my last night here.   

Last night I barfined ICESY the beautiful tall ladyboy Pdoggg had spotted at Myth Night and who is new to the scene.  Here's how it went:

The previous night I had promised her I would barfine her the next night and did so early at 8 PM so we would have a nice dinner together in one of the sea view restaurants on Walking Street.  After dinner we went to a live music bar and then to a club.  She visibly enjoyed both as she sang and danced along.  As you can tell, I was doing my best to make her feel more like a "date" than a "barfine."  She was sweet to me, at some point putting her head on my shoulder and my arms around her to dance, but did not go beyond that.  Usually with me they start more intimate affections at the pre boom boom stages.  I chalked it off to her being innocent and inexperient, which was the case but perhaps also she was not that attracted to me.

Once in the room, I continued to be Mr. Nice Guy.  I asked if she had fucked before and it emerged she did so the first time less than a year ago (she was 20) with a Thai boy but never with a farang, me being the first barfiner she accepted.  She had worked at the bar for 5 days but allegedly never went with a customer despite some offers.  I think it is true because when she was leaving with me all the bargirls surrounded her to hug her and wish her well.  I had never seen anything like that.

Post-orgasm with me still inside her, I asked her why she chose to come with me after rejecting several farang offers which she said she had.  I was hoping to hear I am special, handsome, good-hearted, something like that.  Her answer is that she was afraid to go with a younger man because their dicks are too hard and hurt unlike older guys whose dicks are softer.  So she chose me because she expected me to have a soft dick!!!

Unfortunately she is right about my dick not being as hard as when I was 20 but it was still hard enough to pork her despite her inexperience and shyness.  In contrast, her dick is quite strong long and thick and a joy to suck on.  We 69ed for more than 15 minutes, but she was not that much into sucking me mostly just nibbling on it.  I let her come in my mouth which is an indulgence I rarely allow them. Then I fucked her very tight corn hole and was in there for over half hour not wanting to pump too hard as I would have hurt her or damaged her even.

So you see the date part and the sex were awesome, but there were some other aspects of Icesy that did not go as I like:

- Once in the room I tried to start with the pictures taking.  She was adamant about not allowing it.  I did not insist as not to turn her off and hoped that later I would manage some pics.  But I did not and as a result I don't have any undressed pictures of her, not even with the sexy clothes she tried in my room.  There are 2 pics of us kissing in bed that I told her to take with her phone hoping that it would serve as a first step for taking more pictures later with my camera.  It never happened.

- The sex and the post-sex were very good with me inside her for over half an hour.  But after I popped it out that was it.  She put on one of my T-shirts and went to sleep without seeking any physical proximity to me.  I would touch her but she would not reciprocate in the least.

- The worse part is that in the morning she did a runner on me.  It was 9 AM and I had a glorious morning erection I wanted to put to good use but she just got up and started to get dressed.  So I did what I do in these cases.  I reduced the agreed fare.  In her case by only 400 not 500.  She had to accept it but now I wonder if she wants to be with me again.  I had talked to her about bringing her along to Bangkok and she seemed interested, but now I don't know if she still is.  There was a subsequent message expressing her objection that I paid less than expected.  It's what it is.  If she is not so interested to be with me, no point in taking her to Bangkok.  The barfine alone would be 4K.  Let's see what happens in the course of the day and tonight.

If I had thought this would be a one-shot fuck I would somehow have gotten some in the room pics.  But I did not, so these are the best pics I could get of Icesy:

There are many other fishes in the sea...Greetings from Germany, Sir!

You're right, sir! This is advertising in its purest form!

On 6/28/2022 at 1:06 PM, duke007 said:

Name... Apple

Location.. Room 2, Chow Soy Restaurant, Soi Pothole. 

Pattaya 

Year.... November 2016

 

Mmmhhhh.......what a hottie!!!

On 6/26/2022 at 1:28 AM, seven said:

April 2010, Pattaya. I believe she is or was, no idea now, in a relationship with a nice fellow BM after these photos were taken so I choose not to reveal who.

Flip up the toilet seat and then pee, lady! We Germans do not know fun in this matter!

12 hours ago, Pulci Gorgon said:

I don't despise him, maybe as a porn director since he was not really qualified to shoot porn, but I liked the way he told his monger stories (except maybe when he changed the ladyboys' names). 
I knew he had been arrested and deported but I never read what was the real reason. I would find it funny to meet him in a flight or in an airport flying to another destination. 

I hope he is still alive and in good health. 

 

 

 I agree that Nigel had a nasty attitude in the videos. I have a different opinion about the apeman. 

I'm afraid I going to disagree with you once again. I started investigating about ladyboys before registering in a forum to find information. 
Firstly, as I was looking for young looking shemales I had found my first Asian ladyboys websites, particularly Asian-TS. 
Then I had found information in blogs or websites like stickmannbangkok. I don't even remember what websites, but this how I started learning
Later on, I had my first membership in a forum that you like so much. To be honnest, I had found only one interesting information : Terry Tibbs had posted a video of a walk around Pattaya. Needless to describe the rest of BS I read. 

 

 

 

Well, it's not prohibited but it's useless and it's a wrong strategy; 

It's useless since this pic is 10 to 20 years old. Maybe this gurl had her silicone breast removed and is now living her life as a gay man or Thai ladies seductor. 

It's a wrong strategy since many newbies look for the porn star they saw in a video and forget about other ladyboys. I sometimes met ladyboy porn performers. They often look prettier than other ladyboys but nothing guarantees the quality of sex in the room.  This type of strategy isn't a good strategy since you're going to waste a lot of time trying to catch fishes who are not in the area of the ocean where you're phishing. Porn performers sometimes (often) use their fame to quote higher than average prices. But the main weakness of the startegy is your waste of time, time you make ladyboys waste when they are sitting in their bar and read messages instead of taking care of their customers and frustartion you generate among ladyboys against you. 

 

This reminds me I should create a few posts for a sub-forum for newbies. 

Thanks for this detailed comment! And thank you for your time and effort, sir! I know, sir, "Miran" ("Lela") is a Mirage, is a dream...my dream. But i found a real beauty...she works in "Why not Bangkok Bar"...Have a nice day, sir!

On 7/21/2023 at 9:27 AM, Dan Miller said:

@jamesp: I don't think there is a better way to confirm my previous quote than these videos. Service girls going wild:

 

With 1000 Baht Bar Fine for Short Time...No thanks! Ridiculous excessive price!!!

21 hours ago, Pulci Gorgon said:

The above pics confirm the impression I had while passing through the soi. Although ladyboys are not ugly, I never found them really attractive or at least not enough to decide to go in. I had even seen older ladyboys who might have been pretty in the early 2010s. 

You are absolutely right! Not really attractive!

8 minutes ago, HectorSonOfTroy said:

And sir, with all due respect, i'd rather call him "Cowboy"!  TARZAN is the "Apeman"....

21 hours ago, Pulci Gorgon said:

 

It's just a question of time and money. In the early 2000s the difference in standard of living made it easy to purchase ladyboys services and request them to be submissive. 

The good old times...

7 hours ago, Rom said:

Another annoying thing about the Apeman is that he made up new names for the ladyboys in his movies and if you try to track them the name will lead you nowhere.  That ladyboy's name was LELA (not "Miran") and I was lucky to get to her before the bolt-ons.  I'd say she went on to become one of the TOP 10 ladyboys in BKK for the next 2-3 years but I prefered her flatchested.  She must just have turned 40 now... Are you sure you want to find her?  possibly HIM ?

And sir, with all due respect, i'd rather call him "Cowboy"!  TARZAN is the "Apeman"....

2 hours ago, Rom said:

Another annoying thing about the Apeman is that he made up new names for the ladyboys in his movies and if you try to track them the name will lead you nowhere.  That ladyboy's name was LELA (not "Miran") and I was lucky to get to her before the bolt-ons.  I'd say she went on to become one of the TOP 10 ladyboys in BKK for the next 2-3 years but I prefered her flatchested.  She must just have turned 40 now... Are you sure you want to find her?  possibly HIM ?

Thank you for your answer, you are great, sir! Oh yeah, absolutely sure, sir! I would choose her over any 20 year old! Lela...Lela...thank you so much for telling me her real name, sir! I would so like to get to know her...i would really get on my knees and invite her to dinner! Dreams...dreams, sir....

Correct: "I apologize in ADVANCE"! Sorry Guys, my fingers are shaking....

I don't know if i'm allowed to do this? If not i apologize in adcance! This is my absolute favorite: Miran! Oh you Gods! That eyes...that mouth...that skin...Where can i find this Goddess? I want to knee in front of her...mmmmhhhhh........

For me personally, the "Hall of Legends" is built for "Cowboy"! He is a Legend!

9 hours ago, Pulci Gorgon said:

 

It's just a question of time and money. In the early 2000s the difference in standard of living made it easy to purchase ladyboys services and request them to be submissive. 

I find this extreme CONTRAST fascinating! Here, these beautiful, female, womanly, cute, hairless, smooth-skinned girls and there the testosterone-full, manly, hairy, tall man! The contrast between masculine and feminine, between man and woman. His hard, pulling and erected cock and their cute, limp girly cocks...Just awesome!

8 hours ago, Rom said:

You envy who?  The ladyboys who got fucked by the Apeman?   I doubt that's what you meant... 

The Apeman paid them a pittance.  One of the ladyboys told me how much and at the time it was like twice what I paid that ladyboy for an LT.  When I asked her why she accepted and if she liked him, she told me she was tricked into shooting the movie and that she despised him.  But I think she was saying what she thought I wanted to hear.

I saw the Apeman a few times around Pattaya (always 1-on-1 with a GG! never with a ladyboy) and he seemed just like another punter having fun and I think the ladyboys were lining up to shoot for him, as they were for the other websites.   I remember my pal the Captain Outrageous telling me in the 2000s that his problem was not finding ladyboy models to shoot, but turning down the less attractive ones.  He said that to remain in good standing in the ladyboys community and save faces all around, he paid a few of them for shoots he never used.

Ladyboy XXX porn sites seem to come and go and some stick around but halt production of new content and/or consolidate with others.  It's an aspect of the industry I would like to know more about.  I dont think HelloLadyboy is producing currently,  only ladyboysfuckedbareback is (starring the black T-shirt guy who owns the site and also PY) and he also pays them like only 5K a shoot (5 years ago!).   How do I know?  TJ's Lily told me.  When i asked her why a superstar like her accepted so little, she told me he gave her more money on other occasions...

I am the OP and I started this thread to justify why a proven ladyboy monger and media creator like the Apeman is not in the Romscars Hall of Legends.  My justification was that he did not cast the ladyboys in a good light.   But that's what I felt 3 years ago after having just created  the Romscars Hall of Legends with the noblest of ideals.  Since then, I have added to it a bar owner and a PY moderator hostile to me that initially I would not have thought of awarding.

I am thinking that perhaps the Apeman in view of such notoriety belongs in the Hall of Legends after all.  Does anyone else think so ?

Ha, ha, ha...i envy you, sir, because you knew these wonderful, beautiful "Creatures". For me personally, they were the most adorable of all time! For example: "Whyte", "Jane", "Moi", "Kuay"...oh...and hundred others! Amazing...awesome ladyboys!

2 hours ago, Rom said:

Thanks for resurrecting the thread,   

Apeman and Nigel had the ladyboys all of us mongers were having in the mid-2000s when there were only 4 bars in BKK (KC3, Obsession, Casanova, and Cascade) and 3 in Pattaya (Hi-Boss, Limmatquai, and Penthouse Obsessions).   I would say I recognized 90% of their ladyboy victims from those 7 bars, and did many (not as many) of them myself.  Then they abruptly stopped updating the site and were not around for the big bang of new ladyboy bars of the late 2000s.  I don't recall seeing the Apeman fuck any ladyboys I had not seen on other websites.  They just went to the bars and hired for the movies ladyboys that had been featured at Ladyboy-ladyboy.com and at FTGW.  Not like the Captain Outrageous, another of the ladyboy web sites pioneers, who had his own models who did not work in bars and were never featured in rival ladyboy sites.

 

 

"Recognized 90% of their ladyboy victims..." Sir, i envy them!

My opinion about it: OMG! This guy had the HOTTEST ladyboys! The most feminine! You can see some of the ladyboys on "Ladyboycock". What beauties, wow! "Cowboy"...he opened a window to happiness for me. A pioneer of ladyboy lovers! He loved and enjoyed her. In videos you can hear him ask more often: "You are okay?" Sad that he didn't have a professional cameraman. I would invite him for a drink! Thanks man!