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My take is you cant please everyone. for a guy who has spent a lot of time in thailand and around ladyboys, its easy to pick holes in it. should have done this, should have done that........ but for your average factory rat in the uk, who has only ever been to majorca, constanly working overtime to feed the kids, and has heard stories that "you have to watch it over there, the women have got cocks" it at least showed ladyboys as something not to be ridiculed and laugh at.

i´m crying already.

Seven pages and not one mention of Ken Loach. british obscure films. start with Riff Raff. and then go for Kes. Raining Stones. Looking for Eric My name is joe. Sweet sixteen. you dont know what you,ve been missing.

Its obvious they are not enslaved in some international network that sources them and then smuggles them. Just taking one look at them would confirm that. Not one stunner among 'em. However, its all good stuff for the NGO's to keep justifying their existence & funding while 50kms down the road lie some real nasty stuff, they seriously should be looking into, but they never really want to get their hands dirty do they?

Some very good points there Mardhi and I agree with you about the future. There are many go go's in patts that are paying their girls 20-25,000 baht a month, drinks and barfines are expensive but the bars make a lot of money, its a system that you wouldn't have thought would work but it does. Staff is the way to go but sadly for the little bars like Sensations that are just starting out its not possible to pay the monthly wages during such low times, you need very deep pockets which im sure you will be well aware of. For us having a small amount of freelancers is a must to help the bar survive. Nobody likes paying a barfine but its not thats its a new thing and every bar does it but some guys actually take pride in not paying a barfine. Sometimes it can be annoying, a guy can play on our free pool table all night but then wants to shaft the bar over the barfine, sounds fair doesnt it, espically when you think that for the bars that do charge to play pool they can can make at least 20,000 per month off one table! In all honesty for the guys that try and get out of paying I would prefer them to stay away from the bar as we probably have nothing to gain from them, like you say its the same guys that will nurse a beer for 3 hours while being entertained, and they are the first to put a bad report on the forums about a problem they may have had but they will rarely write anything good, better off without them. I can understand why you had the problem with the freelancers in guess bar, our staff would feel the same way if a girl just rocked up and took a customer that they had been talking to for a while, thats why the freelancers are made to pay a barfine. One good thing about our freelancers is that they do seem loyal to the bar and don't tend to wander, but I think this is mainly due to the fact that they are doing very well and are being barfined a lot, at the moment they have no need to go looking for customers elsewhere. Maybe im too honest but I have never done a bar out of a barfine, even when I took a freelancer from Ezy and kept her for over a week, I went into the bar when it was time to go home and payed what I owed. I do appreciate that some guys go to Patts on very limited budgets and try to do what they can to save money but they still want the security of taking a girl from a bar, they just dont want to pay for that security. Each to their own but I think the majority are honest guys and there are just a few bad eggs.

Cheers Ant