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More than ten years ago I had the opportunity to go back to study my master's degree at Thammasat University and have done a seminar on "Commercial sex business".

With many people involved in this business There are more than 1 million female call girls nationwide. Chasing everything from pubs, bars, beer bars, karaoke, go-go lounges, massage parlors, Thai massage, fake spa massages, hotels, resorts, cafes, restaurants, barber shop, beauty, fronting her, the phone is now a pretty sideline to a brothel. Full body


I have to apologize to those who have truly worked. But it is only that there is a hidden sex trade.

In addition, in the night industry Or related to gender It also includes working people such as waitress, beauty kitchen, pick up car, guide, cashier, cheer guests, Mama San, taxi, win motorbike, restaurant to cosmetic shops, various shops, supply of liquor, beer, water, soda, food ingredients, many more.

Most of them are in the gray sector. Where the employee is not covered by social security or state taxes Or is it hiding the real numbers?


 
By working women earning income in Bangkok If it is a high-end place Have an average income of 100,000 baht per month


The temptation of incomes that do not require education, skill levels, more women enter the commercial sex cycle, the average age of 18 to 25 will be the golden age, with a new wave of the next generation after 26. Replaced continuously.

Even children under the age of 18 who have secretly faked their ID cards to work. It is estimated that there are at least 100,000 people.

After the age of 30, if still in the commercial sex cycle May have to work in other provinces such as Pattaya, Phuket and all over Thailand, almost all provinces with hidden sex workers. Some went to work abroad, both in casinos and in Thai massage bars, both in Asia to Europe and America.

Commercial sex business in Thailand continues to expand. It grows in many ways. Emphasize the characteristics of the woman, appearance, age, development of commercial sex business is still expanding in many businesses such as beer cheer girls, pretty girls, young enters, dining friends, renting fans, which are not out of the sexual business cycle in the end.

The government must have a clear policy on youth entering the commercial sex cycle. Or will it support the size of the people in the government to subsidize?

The economy in commercial sex business in Thailand grew by several hundred billion. It is expected that more than a dark business like drugs again.

In my term, there is no professor arguing the information. Because it is a story that I know more than just the teacher In which statistics of data change over time But there is a tendency for more people to enter this cycle. Although in the near future The new population will have a lower rate. And entering an aging society

The commercial sex business of Thailand has also embraced additional foreign women including Burma, Laos, Khmer, Karen and border China.

Currently, my term "Commercial Sex Business" is still in the library of the Faculty of Political Science, Master's Degree, Thammasat University.

On April 15, 2021, Mr. Chuwit Kamolvisit, a former politician and famous night businesswoman, wrote the above article on "Commercial Sex Business" published on his personal Facebook account.

https://www.naewna.com/local/566260

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Hi Pdoggg those are monger-relevant scholarly insights, which at first I thought were your own that you had formulated in getting a masters degree in the past.  They are NOT Pdoggg's

... The post above is a Thai-to-English translation of what seems to be the thrust of an academic master thesis written 10 years ago by a "Mr. Chuwit Kamolvisit, a former politician and famous night businesswoman (sic)".  He seems to advocate a more explicit, supportive government policy towards commercial sex workers (CSWs), which he claims account for over 1 million Thais as prostitutes including in what he calls a "gray sector" of part-time and occasional pros.  He then adds the untold number of Thais in prostitution-related activities (hairdressers, taxi drivers, cashiers, etc).  More dubiously, he claims that those numbers are growing and calls for government action, which I could not figure out what exactly he wants but may involve "subsidize..."

I dont have any recent stats (not sure he does either) but I disagree with the last part based on my observations of farang-oriented CSW over the last 30 years.  To me, the CSW numbers of GG-Thais peaked in the late 1990s-early 2000s and of ladyboys in the early 2010s after the internet mainstreamed them.  I think we can all agree that while there are still countless bars and go-gos and massage joints in BKK and Pattaya, they have much fewer and older staff.   LTs with GFE are not a given like when I started out and some hookers now ask for prices comparable with the countries we come from.

Looking forward, I think mongeringwise things will only get worse for us due to the Thai demographics and economic growth.  Fewer children and higher incomes in Thailand will result in families investing in the education of their children (including the GIRLS) who will not need to be prostitutes.  End of story.  That is what happened in our own countries, or more recently in Korea, or in HK that used to be almost like Thailand.  Moreover, Thai society is also fast changing and the non-stigmatization of prostitution by lower class Thais will become a thing of the past.

What do other BMs think ?  We will still have plenty of cheap whores to monger in Thailand  ...  But for how long ?  I say a decade or so - 2 max...

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I am by no means an expert. I can only comment on what I have seen and observed over the past 5 and a bit years.

Think it is taken that the majority of "working"girls come from Isaan. I am sure there are some from other areas as well. I dont think the hierarchy have any interest is fostering higher education in those areas. It is a source of cheap labour!.

Many in power would appear to control a large number of businesses that need cheap labour. The "Bosses" have no need to educate those workers. We humans are all the same. WE want to foster what benefits us the most. It would appear that in Thailand the power base is quite small, unlike in most other countries.

As long as the powerbrokers want cheap labour it will stay as it is in areas like Isaan, thereby forcing the young girls to seek work in Pattaya and BKK. I am sure there will be a gradual improvement in educational standards but over a long period. There does seem to be a very parochial attitude towards language teaching. The number of staff in the tourist industry who have only a very basic handle on English is very apparent.

As an aside to this, it always strikes me that when you see videos of areas like Walking Street and Soi 4 in BKK, that the number of Thai girls way outnumbers Thai boys.

I am sure there is some logical reason.Maybe the girls who are all dolled up are mostly sex workers and out to earn money, (or are they),and obviously the Thai guys cant do the same so stay or are entertained in non tourist areas?. Is that logical?.

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45 minutes ago, Woodie said:

As an aside to this, it always strikes me that when you see videos of areas like Walking Street and Soi 4 in BKK, that the number of Thai girls way outnumbers Thai boys.

You are missing that Thai ladyboys are the "Thai boys" you don't see. However, they are still outnumbered by the number of ggs in p4p.

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No, I wasn't missing that. The number of Thai lbs is very small as a proportion of the population in my reckoning and I think does not make up the imbalance of numbers.

Have a look at the numbers of Thai gg's climbing the stairs to the nightclubs, then try and pick out the Thai guys. Way out of whack!.

Maybe the girls are smarter and earn more money,(however they earn their money. Maybe on their backs), which allows them to go out and leave their siblings at home?.

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8 hours ago, Woodie said:

Have a look at the numbers of Thai gg's climbing the stairs to the nightclubs, then try and pick out the Thai guys. Way out of whack!.

Maybe the girls are smarter and earn more money,(however they earn their money. Maybe on their backs)

Many of the ggs in p4p have to earn money to support children fathered by the Thai guys who then took no responsibility for them.

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2 hours ago, Quietguy said:

Many of the ggs in p4p have to earn money to support children fathered by the Thai guys who then took no responsibility for them.

I am sure that is true. I think the impression that some Thai guys give is that the girls are the breadwinners.

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15 hours ago, Woodie said:

The number of Thai lbs is very small as a proportion of the population in my reckoning

I am not sure of the ladyboy ratio but it seems that there are way more ladyboys than I would expect in Pattaya 7/11s.  It could be that ladyboys find it easier to be themselves in Pattaya rather than in Nakon Nowhere. 

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On 4/18/2021 at 3:04 AM, Rom said:

 

What do other BMs think ?  We will still have plenty of cheap whores to monger in Thailand  ...  But for how long ?  I say a decade or so - 2 max...

I chase ladyboys.  I chased them to all over the USA, and then through Mexico, Cambodia, Thailand, Philippines, and with little success Cuba. 

Full Disclosure: I always despised the guys who travelled to third world countries to get cheap pussy or cis-gender girls bar girls, or the old fat ugly guys who went to Cambodia to get a pretty 20 something wife because they couldn't get a girl in their home country.   Although, I had some sympathy for guys who went looking for a wife that they intended to bring back to the USA and incorporate fully into their life. 

My perception has been in the US, we have far fewer ladyboys/transgender women than in the foreign places I mongered in over the years. I travelled to Thailand and Philippines not because the ladyboys were cheap, but because I believed there were many, many more to choose from. And as a side benefit, the fact that I could take ladyboy on a whirlwind trip for a fraction of the cost in the USA was a definite advantage.  Probably the reason there were so many more in Thailand and Philippines is due to the relative poverty of the countries, and the necessity of formal sex work (thailand) and informal or gray market sex work (Philippines) to survive in countries that are relatively poor.  Although, this is really a sad statement because the implication is that young men are putting on women's clothes to prostitute themselves out of economic necessity and not because they were in fact transgender, and unable to earn income due to discrimination against ladyboys.

The bottom line: if you are looking for cheap whores, then the cheapest ones will always be in countries whose political leadership can't get it together to unify the country, and move it forward economically.  My perception is that even though to many westerners Thailand may not seem politically "cool", they actually attempt to upgrade their population. 

So Rom, you are absolutely correct, we can expect Thailand ladyboys very soon to be on par with western ladyboys in terms of pricing as their economy continues to improve.  So the days of "cheap whores" in thailand are numbered, and from my perspective that is not necessarily a bad thing.  

Pattaya-freelancers.jpg

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On 4/18/2021 at 12:04 PM, Rom said:

 

What do other BMs think ?  We will still have plenty of cheap whores to monger in Thailand  ...  But for how long ?  I say a decade or so - 2 max...

 

 

I don't grant much importance to the future of Thai whores. I have invested neither in a bar nor in a condo in Pattaya or whatever beach station with bars and ladyboys. I started mongering in urope in the local market. Girls were veterans of the "sexual revolution" of the 1960s. Thay had learnt their business from the girls who had supplied services to the US Army before our President asked the NATO forces to go and look in other countries  if our whores were serving there. These whores had replaced those who had served in the brothels for Nazi invaders. 

Then we started seeing new local girls : Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, then Arabic immigrant daughters, real  African girls, then white girls from "European Africa" and of course local trannies, then transgender replaced by Brazilian waves of Tgirls, then Latinas and even sometimes Asian. Thailand is or was just a stop on my road of mongering . I understood a few years ago that "promises" of price and quality described in an old post by Stickman Bangkok around 2008 were out of date. 

I don't really mind since I often had the feeling I discovered the scene when it was about to vanish in many countries either in Western or Eastern Europe or in Thailand, so I am used to looking fornew treasuries every 5 or 10 years. So let Thailand collapse. Old mongers who are unable to adapt will still find a scene with clean bars and clean bathrooms for the girls or ladyboys and prices as high as in Greman brothels, and even maybe periodic health checks imposed on whores. I will keep on reading posts in PY to see snobs show off they can still pay and other old 'lows cry that the good old time won't come back. 

I don't know where I will be mongering then. I noticed a new deal in the decade before Covid. Not only Thai people are becoming better off, but more and more young cheap sluts develop road side hook up along American highways while prohibition is spreading in Europe. We are becoming tomorrow's poor countries. Before this really happens,we will find opportunities at home or in neighbouring countries. That'll be my pleasure since searching has become a part of the game for me. 

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5 hours ago, RandiUno2 said:

I chase ladyboys.  I chased them to all over the USA, and then through Mexico, Cambodia, Thailand, Philippines, and with little success Cuba. 

Full Disclosure: I always despised the guys who travelled to third world countries to get cheap pussy or cis-gender girls bar girls, or the old fat ugly guys who went to Cambodia to get a pretty 20 something wife because they couldn't get a girl in their home country.   Although, I had some sympathy for guys who went looking for a wife that they intended to bring back to the USA and incorporate fully into their life. 

My perception has been in the US, we have far fewer ladyboys/transgender women than in the foreign places I mongered in over the years. I travelled to Thailand and Philippines not because the ladyboys were cheap, but because I believed there were many, many more to choose from. And as a side benefit, the fact that I could take ladyboy on a whirlwind trip for a fraction of the cost in the USA was a definite advantage.  Probably the reason there were so many more in Thailand and Philippines is due to the relative poverty of the countries, and the necessity of formal sex work (thailand) and informal or gray market sex work (Philippines) to survive in countries that are relatively poor.  Although, this is really a sad statement because the implication is that young men are putting on women's clothes to prostitute themselves out of economic necessity and not because they were in fact transgender, and unable to earn income due to discrimination against ladyboys.

The bottom line: if you are looking for cheap whores, then the cheapest ones will always be in countries whose political leadership can't get it together to unify the country, and move it forward economically.  My perception is that even though to many westerners Thailand may not seem politically "cool", they actually attempt to upgrade their population. 

So Rom, you are absolutely correct, we can expect Thailand ladyboys very soon to be on par with western ladyboys in terms of pricing as their economy continues to improve.  So the days of "cheap whores" in thailand are numbered, and from my perspective that is not necessarily a bad thing.  

Pattaya-freelancers.jpg

I don't agree with you and Rom about lb pricing soon being on a par with Western lbs. That will only happen if a lot of stars align. Eg, the powers that be in Thailand allow the lower classes to improve their standing. Why would they?. It keeps them down!. Lb prices will only increase dramatically if we as the customers pay stupid prices. Guys going around precovid throwing 3 or 4000 baht for a short time just to show that they are 2 week bigshots!. I bet now, that you could get the best for less than 1500. Things change and we as customers are the controlling force. If we resist the urge to splash out, (excuse the pun), and pay what is a reasonable price considering the cost base in Thailand, I think there is no reason for prices to skyrocket.

Post covid,(if there is to be such a thing), numbers of tourists to Thailand will not be what they were before, so if there are the same number of lbs around, supply and demand will control the prices.

ps I do like the lb in the photo. I am a sucker for that "look", except for the navel studs. Cant stand those.

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On 4/19/2021 at 2:14 PM, P&G said:

 

We are becoming tomorrow's poor countries. 

I can't speak to Europe as the last time I was in Europe was in 2016 for a brief stay in London. 

However, after my limited travels I have come to the conclusion that the USA has become today's poor country.  Forty years (since Reagan) of the US failing to invest in infrastruture in the form of physical or human capital has manifested itself in a vicious cycle of hate politics that is destroying the country.  While China has built the largest subway system in the world (Beijing) in 25 years, bullet trains all across the country, and solar capacity unmatched by anyone, US politicians have been promising coal miners their jobs back, and promising that cutting the taxes for multi-billion dollar corporations will miraculously result in the economy improving, all to the effect that in the US dams are failing, bridges are cracking, and power grids can't handle weather disruptions. Sometimes, the US reminds me of my childhood in Zaire, the rich few squezing every penny from the existing infrastructure while failing to even try to invest for the future.

Already, the Chinese upper middle class (pre-pandemic) are flocking to the US for "bargains".  Pre-pandemic, I observed this everytime I flew to S.E. Asia from California, USA.  There were always Chinese returning home from the their vacations in the US loaded down with, for them, cheap real designer watches and clothes.  Given how much a ladyboy friend of mine was making in China after her fixer got her a visa to enter the country, I have no doubt, Asian tourists will soon be travelling to US for "cheap whores".  

I'm not bashing China. The Chinese communist party, as evil as they may be, have presided over the greatest economic transformation of a society (1 billion people), in the history of mankind. Anyone who doesn't respect them for this doesn't see reality.

I just wish my country's leadership would at least attempt to keep up with the Joneses, ie, Chinese, instead of making pretend threats against the Chinese government while at the same time not doing a damn thing to improve the country.  

Hopefully, my country will wake up and realize that investing in roads, dams, bridges, power grids, solar farms, and all forms of HUMAN CAPITAL (education) is the way you make your country properous.

 

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Being European and having lived as a resident in the USA, I could try to describe differences between Europe and the USA, but I don't think it's worth doing it. If I look for a common weakness that China don't have, I see that individual freedom has been excessively protected against general interest. One of the purposes of a strong government should consist in maintaining harmony between both what has not been the case in both Europe and the USA. You described the USA as deciding policies to please the richest taxpayers. In Europe social democracies opted for reduction in working hours and rigid social laws that lead both a weak competitiveness of industrial businesses and relocating productions that couldn't stay profitable under new regulations. (Conservative governments also favored relocations to please the richest taxpayers too).
Another common point is the absence of reaction against the Chinese dumping and/or unfair business. China followed strategies followed before by the new Asian dragons : export low cost products then gain in competitiveness in higher added value products. However, China protects their industries, understood how to practice aggressive markets winning that also lead to the destruction of our businesses.
It’s probably true that upper middle class Chinese people come back from the USA with for them real designers cheap watches and clothes ; I also noticed the high price of ladyboys in China. But ladyboys keep on targeting this upper middle class whereas the middle and lower European class mean can still travel to Thailand or SE Asia to monger ladyboys (pre-pandemic). I guess it’ll take a long time before Chinese mass tourists come to Western countries and spend money in p4p. They will not only prefer to spend their money in casinos but not so many will. Today as a lower to middle class European, I still feel better off than Chinese middle class people. I don’t know how long this will last. However, I keep in mind that collapsing countries (as in Eastern Europe from 1990) had left visitors from richer countries come to their territory and spend money in p4p. We already know about emirs or Saudi businessmen coming to Europe for p4p with expensive call girls. If we stay on the same trend, we (or our children) might see p4p developing to attract Chinese and make extra revenues from their casino tours as this already happens in Cambodia.
I don’t believe they will be the rich, and we will be the poor ones, but we will find less interesting to monger in Asia so that red light cities like Pattaya might become casino cities, and we will find other places to monger if we can find them.

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5 hours ago, Pdoggg said:

I believe there are 114 boys born in China for every 100 girls.   It would appear that Chinese mongers could be on their way!

I speculated that this gender imbalance is going to make China one of the most biggest Asian lb countries in the world. Here are a few example videos that show some of the lb scene in China. Sorry for being off topic!:offtopic:

 

So not just famous for the Wuhan virus!

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