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COVID-19 in Thailand 2020: "too good to be true" ? & "the worse is yet to come?"


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10 minutes ago, seven said:

Look at this: 

I think the woman on the plane should wear a mask because you would think she would want to hide her smug fuck face.  So the self righteous cunt made her fookin point and probably got herself on some sort of no fly list.  If I was sitting next to her I'd invoke my god given right to continuously pass my gas.  :movethatass:

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12 minutes ago, Pdoggg said:

smug fuck face

You forgot her white privileged smug fuck face. 

 

Btw, you were onto something :

Gloves may be the next step after masks in the battle against coronavirus

https://news.yahoo.com/gloves-may-next-step-masks-173130661.html

Ministers are considering requiring the public to wear gloves to combat coronavirus, as well as face coverings.

During a debate in the House of Lords on coronavirus regulations health minister Lord Bethell said gloves are "an area we’re looking at" as the Government considers how best to protect the public.

 

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1 hour ago, seven said:

“Its getting to a point when I watch these clips where supposedly normal  people freak out over some one not wearing a mask, websites shout KAREN at every occasion a person not obey to their scientifically unproven beliefs, where I sympathise  with the ones not wearing the stupid masks. Its like they're imposing their fucking religion on people.“ -Seven

 

I think you nailed it when you mentioned religion. This mask nonsense is basically religious hysteria at this point. Those ridiculous plexiglass barriers are what really brought it home for me. They do FUCK ALL. It is pure psychological manipulation now. “Be afraid, sheeple!” The fucked up part is, it’s working. 
 

 

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how can you say they do fuck all????  I'm amazed. I don't believe the virus survives long or is spread by and large by contact with objects but SHITFIRE man, If someone coughs at you across the counter you think it's nothing?  Where I am most stores have put a box or something in front of the counter to make people stand farther away from the counter person. Just how do you think this thing is spreading? It's obvious to most with a brain it's respiration.  Now, a strong cough or sneeze should be suspect NO??? wearing a mask cuts down the amount of droplets, or aerosol at least SOME.  In fact they're now supposing that it can linger in the air to the point where VENTILATION is becoming key, along with much better filtration and possibly UV light introduce in air treatment.  Wearing a mask does not cause pain.  It's not that expensive, it seems logical that it does not make things worse and probably cuts down on the amount of virus an infected person breathes, coughs, sneezes out.   Have you never talked with someone who likes to get close and then you feel the spray as they get excited about the topic? Jesus K rist on a stick man, they're not asking for your balls, or guns or any other bullshit.  They do the mask thing when they are sick to show respect for other people if not to hopefully spread their germs. 

bottom line tho, it's HYSTERIA plain and simple, and many people just do NOT want to admit they are emotionally out of control and fearful.  As always, put the blame on someone else, it'll make you feel better.  This conspiracy shit? Got no time for it.  I'm with xyz, tired of it.  For SURE you and I have NO ABILITY to stop such devious, aggressive, well funded, evil orgs :)  Chill. 

god knows if you want to find a contrary opinion online it's EASY.  "the science is conclusive..."  hahaha, by who? what group?  please.  That's like some clickbait title Fox news would run.  Oh, and it's a phd? and from April 20?

IN ADDITION the whole slant of that article is about wearing a mask to KEEP OUT the virus, to keep from GETTING it. Good lord

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23 hours ago, strocube said:

Did I strike a nerve? I post opinions which you are free to ignore if you don’t like them. But here you are telling me to kill my self. Jesus, dude, take a look at yourself. 
You have not even offered any kind of rebuttal, just a personal attack. What happened to reasoned discourse? 
It must be hard swallowing all mainstream narratives without so much as a second thought. How’s that working out for you? 

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HAHAHA you are such a dipshit. Yes your continual posting of BS does sometimes strike a nerve because it's stupid shit and makes a mess of parts of this forum IMO. And you do it over and over.

What kind of rebuttal is needed for wearing a mask when a virus is spread by airborne droplets? 

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I think you nailed it when you mentioned religion. This mask nonsense is basically religious hysteria at this point. Those ridiculous plexiglass barriers are what really brought it home for me. They do FUCK ALL. It is pure psychological manipulation now. “Be afraid, sheeple!” The fucked up part is, it’s working. 

Damn this is funny stuff. You should take this show on the road. Oh wait you can't go on the road right now.

Trump has sent unidentified troops to Portland likely a violation of the law. Trump had his attorney general drop charges against a friend who confessed twice to a crime involving Trump and commuted the sentence of another. Trump has made the virus much worse by not coordinating a federal response. Trump has fired every cabinet level appointee or government department head that he can that says something he doesn't agree with. And that is just the tip of the iceburg. He is making himself as close to a dictator as possible. And Trump doesn't give a shit about masks. I'm a hell a lot more worried about Trump subjugating the American people, and laws, than some mask orders. If you get you panties all in a bunch about some damn mask order you must be horrified by what Trump is doing.    

  My apologies for posting this in the COVID-19 in Thailand. I seem to have wondered as far off topic as much of the rest of the discussion.

 

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God bless you for trying, but arguing with an anti-masker/anti-vaxxer/flat-earther/Trump supporter is a waste of time and energy. It's especially ludicrous hearing the anti-mask "logic" on a forum centered on Thailand, a country of 75 million people and 58 (!!) covid deaths. I was there when the pandemic hit, and I remember having to apply sanitizer and get my temperature taken before entering a building or getting on the BTS. I remember everyone, almost without exception, wearing masks. "Y'know, every health professional in the world says wearing a mask will help me protect myself and others from the coronavirus. But that guy on the ladyboy website got me thinking. So much to consider..."

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4 hours ago, LbDabbler said:

Y'know, every health professional in the world says wearing a mask will help me protect myself and others from the coronavirus.

Really? Every health professional?

 I  certainly don’t identify myself in the group in your post, but quite the opposite. “anti-masker/anti-vaxxer/flat-earther/Trump supporter“. However, face masks won’t prevent the pandemic, there are no proof of that. If you do have proof saying otherwise please do share.

It’s  gotten all politicized in the US. Believe it or not, people don’t get attacked or thrown of planes in other parts if the world.
 I was also in Thailand when the pandemic started so we both know how different the mask situation is being handled by Thailand vs. USA.  Civilized vs.uncivilized.

I also understand you actually believe in the numbers of covid-19 deaths in Thailand.:biggrin:

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The bad news came out tonight at the Southeastern Asian time : there is new Covid19 outbreak in Đà Nẵng, Vietnam. I have found no confirmation in press releases but 2 ladyboys  passed me on the information. According to one of them,  Chinese people infected Vietnam again. More seriously, it turns up that (a) new clusters appeard in the area of Đà Nẵng in Central Vietnam. 

According to our experience in Europe, after a first wave about 1 % of people remained infested without symptoms of Covid and the virus kept on traveling. Here, people went on holidays and forgot or decided not to respect social distanciations. Younger people get infested and sick in what seems to be a second wave (Europe).

One shouldn't underestimate the effects of propaganda in Vietnam since the Socialist Republic had announced zero casualty. In Vietnam or in any other place in the world, we won't get rid of this virus as long as people will keep on transmitting it. Vaccines seem to be the only solution to stop it. 

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On 7/25/2020 at 5:14 AM, Pdoggg said:

you would think she would want to hide her smug fuck face.  So the self righteous cunt

You gonna love this milf freedom fighter lunatic republican Karen lying and making laws up as she pleases.  FTBA:biggrin:

I have lived in Orange county and this type of people actually exists there. 

Lenka Koloma (R), who claims to be from the "Freedom to Breathe Agency" confronts grocery store supervisor Liz Chavez (L) in a supermarket in Orange County, California on August 7, 2020.

 

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Seven...no one is saying face mask will PREVENT a pandemic. The pandemic IS HERE, there is NO PREVENTING that.  What they DO say is that face mask use CAN HELP prevent rapid spread (along with distancing, etc.)  Now, if you would prefer everyone just DITCH face mask use (yes, they are painful and expensive) fine...next would be FULL hospitals and people dying of everyday TREATABLE things while lined up begging for ANY SPACE in a hospital filled and overwhelmed.  Short of going Chinese (I've read they built SIXTEEN new hospitals when Covid first hit!!) the only way to keep it from going meltdown is TRYING to lessen the spread.  Why do people whine and moan so much about a simple breathable barrier ?  That being said, I don't use em, but then I live in a tiny town 25 miles from the nearest big city and most don't use them or the silly gits wear em on their chin, covering their mouth.  Fine, it gets in thru the nose if you ask me, camping in your sinus and growing and spreading, but each to their own, this is a rather isolated community. If anyone balks or has signs up, I just reach for my back pocket bandana and go Jesse James for a few, no biggie. I live alone and I work alone...outside. Still, if I was in the city I'd have masks on when appropriate and use em.  It does give me a chuckle when I see people driving along, mask on :)

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On 7/14/2020 at 12:36 AM, Rom said:

Gentlemen,

6 months into the pandemic and Thailand has only recorded 58 deaths to COVID-19.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/thailand/

What do you think is going to happen if/when Thailand opens its borders and businesses like it used to?

The Thai population having been spared mass exposure to it, COVID-19 would FINALLY spread in Thailand like it did in Europe and America.    (...)

That's from my OP almost 6 months ago when I started this thread.  Since then, the official total count of Thai covid-dead has risen from "58" to a whopping ...  "64" !  That's only 6 more dead Thais in 6 months.   1 Thai victim per month ...  Sorry Thailand, but I don't buy it for a second, as well as for most other Asian countries starting with the PRChina...

It's statistically plausible for Asian countries to have lower covid death rates because their populations have less elderly than in the West and it's mostly the very old who die of covid.  But it is not that much of a difference:  Life expectancy for Thais is 77 while for Brits is 81...

A more plausible factor is that Asians are better at following government orders and take precautions like wearing masks ... But even if the whole of Thailand masked and gloved like in a hospital, it still would not explain the abysmal difference in death rates...

Government fudging of covid statistics HAS TO BE the reason they are so low.

I have no alternative stats of course, but I know that in Europe/US anyone infected with covid at the time of death is officially recorded as a covid victim, and I think it is likely they are doing the opposite in Thailand.   Recording deaths as respiratory failure, bronchopneumonia, vascular failure, cancer, diabetes, ... whatever they can diagnose that coincides with the covid infection and may have in fact been caused by it ...

Where am I going with all this?   Covid in Thailand is a lot worse than they say and it's already getting much much worse like we are experiencing in Europe and the US.  The vaccine did not come soon enough to prevent the spread I predicted in the OP.  So for the foreseeable future  mongeringwise: DON'T !

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1 hour ago, Rom said:

That's from my OP almost 6 months ago when I started this thread.  Since then, the official total count of Thai covid-dead has risen from "58" to a whopping ...  "64" !  That's only 6 more dead Thais in 6 months.   1 Thai victim per month ...  Sorry Thailand, but I don't buy it for a second, as well as for most other Asian countries starting with the PRChina...

It's statistically plausible for Asian countries to have lower covid death rates because their populations have less elderly than in the West and it's mostly the very old who die of covid.  But it is not that much of a difference:  Life expectancy for Thais is 77 while for Brits is 81...

A more plausible factor is that Asians are better at following government orders and take precautions like wearing masks ... But even if the whole of Thailand masked and gloved like in a hospital, it still would not explain the abysmal difference in death rates...

Government fudging of covid statistics HAS TO BE the reason they are so low.

I have no alternative stats of course, but I know that in Europe/US anyone infected with covid at the time of death is officially recorded as a covid victim, and I think it is likely they are doing the opposite in Thailand.   Recording deaths as respiratory failure, bronchopneumonia, vascular failure, cancer, diabetes, ... whatever they can diagnose that coincides with the covid infection...

Where am I going with all this?   Covid in Thailand is a lot worse than they say and it's already getting much much worse like we are experiencing in Europe and the US.  The vaccine did not come soon enough to prevent the spread I predicted in the OP.  So for the foreseeable future  mongeringwise: DON'T !

People are getting sick in Thailand and people are dying but they don't get counted. I have a number of faang friends in LOS who say they had a terrible sickness with fever but they don't have the facilities to confirm whether it was Covid.

Doubtful 64 deaths when Thailand was the first country outside of China to have a case.

In my estimation, it's going to take another 18 to 24 months to get this better under control. But longer for things to be back to normal...... if ever. 

 

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Right on The-Sith !  I have been saying since the beginning of covid that whatever comes after--it will never be the same in Pattaya/Thailand ...  The covid shock coincides with major demographic and social-political change and the Thais will probably take this opportunity to get rid of us sex tourists and sexpats that they don't need anymore and are a national embarrassment ...  There will still be plenty of P4P action for another generation, but it wont be the same with 100s of bars side-by-side with 18-25 year-olds eager to be picked by old creeps to provide them LT GFE for pocket change...  It kinda had stopped being like that already...

But I cant believe myself--Rom aka "Mr Party On!" is telling his fellow BMs not to monger and to forget Thailand as we knew it.  I may have been the voice of reason at PY (and got banned for it), but here at LBR I recast myself as the wild and crazy BM who lives by the jazz motto of "laissez les bons temps rouler".  So I am posting here some more Romlike pics I got today that I was going to post at the Romscars Club, but this thread (being a thread I started) could use some boosting with cock, plus there is a reference to covid in the pics so I will just post the pics here.  They are also a testimonial of how ladyboys scramble for business during covid, as obviously I sent a little con$ideration to my remote well-wisher...

Happy New Year and PARTY ON gentlemen!

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On 1/3/2021 at 9:58 PM, Rom said:

Government fudging of covid statistics HAS TO BE the reason they are so low.

If the huge spike in new cases is mainly due to increased testing rather than exponential growth that would be good news.

Excess mortality is a more straightforward stat than the judgment calls regarding cause of death.  Anyone know where to find this data? 

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you can find the data here Pdoggg.  https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html

The NY Times is tracking the Excess Deaths in many countries including Thailand where there is more to it than meets the eye as I will explain below.

btw, It is you not me who is raising the analytics of the discussion to a level perhaps best continued in the Lounge... OK by me if you hoover or edit this post. Your call.

First let me clarify for BMs who might not know what calculating "excess deaths" is about:  it is a comparison with a previous year(s) when, absent health or conflict shocks, population deaths occur at a natural, steady-state rate.  If there is a war or a pandemic more people will die as a result, and those are the "excess deaths" relative to a normal year without war or pandemic.  In 2020, it stands to reason to attribute excess deaths to covid.

The NYT is tracking such excess deaths and producing charts like the ones below for many countries.  I am just posting for 4 countries, including Thailand.

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What the first 3 charts tell us is that in the US, UK, and Spain a lot more people are dying in 2020, presumably from covid.

What the Thailand chart tells us is that THROUGH APRIL 2020, the number of deaths WAS not higher than expected and therefore: no excess deaths/ no covid impact...

The problem with the Thai chart is that the data on deaths stops being reported in April; April 9 to be precise:

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1939736/all-fatalities-decline-since-start-of-pandemic

It seems from the article above that in June, Thailand produced death statistics through early April (2-month lag; not bad at all).  But since then:  NOTHING!!!

I'd rather not spell out the conclusion, but if a country (any country) is going to suppress covid stats for the sake of looking good, then it will have to suppress death stats as well, or else analysts like Pdoggg will come consistency-check the covid stats against total/excess deaths.

Maybe it's the "face-saving" Asian thing, but it seems to matter a lot to them (PRC especially) to report low covid rates... which I don't buy...

Sorry for being diplomatically cryptic at the end and hope this helps

Rom

 

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I agree on most things in your post , Rom.

Theres no way the official numbers is the truth. Why would Thailand  be some sort of safe haven compared to the rest of the world.

I was in Pattaya last winter and the place was heaving with chinese tourists.

No testing=No cases. As far as covering up I think you give somchai too much credit. They're not capable of doing that.

However, I wouldn't rule out theres some medical genetic explanation to their cases compared to the west. Maybe their gene pool give them some sort of immunity.  I read the other day something about a neanderthal gene in people being at more risk, https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/12/neanderthal-gene-found-many-people-may-open-cells-coronavirus-and-increase-covid-19

so its not impossible the blood type (has been reported, I think type O the most common was preferable in the case of covid-19 ),  and genetics come into play. Then again why would chinese  be hit so hard and not thais, they're both of similar descent I would guess.

re: excess deaths. Age, Rom, age!   Very complicated to say for sure. It all depends what data we put in.

For example in Sweden death rates were lower in 2020 than 2018 and 2019 among people under the age of 60. 

Heck, what do I know. I just read too much about this plague. Sorry for going off topic.

https://academic.oup.com/eurpub/advance-article/doi/10.1093/eurpub/ckaa218/5968985

Background

Sweden has one of the highest numbers of COVID-19 deaths per inhabitant globally. However, absolute death counts can be misleading. Estimating age- and sex-specific mortality rates is necessary in order to account for the underlying population structure. Furthermore, given the difficulty of assigning causes of death, excess all-cause mortality should be estimated to assess the overall burden of the pandemic.

Methods

By estimating weekly age- and sex-specific death rates during 2020 and during the preceding five years, our aim is to get more accurate estimates of the excess mortality attributed to COVID-19 in Sweden, and in the most affected region Stockholm.

Results

Eight weeks after Sweden’s first confirmed case, the death rates at all ages above 60 were higher than for previous years. Persons above age 80 were disproportionally more affected, and men suffered greater excess mortality than women in ages up to 75 years. At older ages, the excess mortality was similar for men and women, with up to 1.5 times higher death rates for Sweden and up to 3 times higher for Stockholm. Life expectancy at age 50 declined by less than 1 year for Sweden and 1.5 years for Stockholm compared to 2019.

Conclusions

The excess mortality has been high in older ages during the pandemic, but it remains to be answered if this is because of age itself being a prognostic factor or a proxy for comorbidity. Only monitoring deaths at a national level may hide the effect of the pandemic on the regional level.

 

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