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Cowboy (aka "Apeman") & Naughty Nigel: LEGENDS but NOT quite as in "Romscars Hall of Legends"


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4 hours ago, Rom said:

I think it's the ladyboy forums what had the outsized impact on the scene. 

You're right Rom.  Guess would have died in its original rather secluded location if it wasn't for the two main ladyboy forums operating at that time.  It was an extremely cost effective (free) way to reach the desired target audience.

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7 hours ago, Rom said:

Another annoying thing about the Apeman is that he made up new names for the ladyboys in his movies and if you try to track them the name will lead you nowhere.  That ladyboy's name was LELA (not "Miran") and I was lucky to get to her before the bolt-ons.  I'd say she went on to become one of the TOP 10 ladyboys in BKK for the next 2-3 years but I prefered her flatchested.  She must just have turned 40 now... Are you sure you want to find her?  possibly HIM ?

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And sir, with all due respect, i'd rather call him "Cowboy"!  TARZAN is the "Apeman"....

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13 hours ago, Pdoggg said:

While undoubtedly the Apeman is a Legend, he seems to be despised by just about every forum poster.   I would think that having the Apeman in the Hall of Legends devalues the honor and that previous inductees would be offended.  Chivalry is clearly not the Apeman's strong suit.

I don't despise him, maybe as a porn director since he was not really qualified to shoot porn, but I liked the way he told his monger stories (except maybe when he changed the ladyboys' names). 
I knew he had been arrested and deported but I never read what was the real reason. I would find it funny to meet him in a flight or in an airport flying to another destination. 

I hope he is still alive and in good health. 

 

 

9 hours ago, Rom said:

Yes.  The Apeman (aka "Cowboy" as he called himself) is a Legend in his own right, and personally I don't even think he was as predatory of the ladyboys as he portrays himself.  But he did break laws in Thailand including allegedly, I repeat: ALLEGEDLY,  laws concerning the ladyboys themselves and had to skip town or face the monkey house.  The same goes for Nigel who was a convicted felon in TH and did time and was rumoured to be deliberatly infecting his sex partners.  Moreover, the Apeman never made the effort to be part of the community of ladyboy mongers either online or on the field.  Other than myself, I never saw anyone post they met him.  Paultain said in his book he did and gave him a dress down, but I doubt it.

There are just too many negatives associated to the Apeman and Nigel for them to be the legends in the chivalrous sense intended for the Romscars Hall of Legends.

Still if any BMs think otherwise, they are welcome to go on record here.

 

I think it's the ladyboy forums what had the outsized impact on the scene.  Prior to them becoming commonplace, ladyboys were a more exclusive secret world for those in the know.  The internet in 1997 began offering glimpses of that world and some western men began venturing to Thailand to try ladyboys, which initially also brought many more Thai boys to the scene.  That's the period in the early 2000s I call "the glory days" because that's when there were not yet so many lof us cramping each others' styles and we all had access to all the ladyboys we saw on the internet in the 4 or 5 bars that existed and where the Apeman also found his models.

The emergence of bars like Stringfellows, Club 131, Guess occurs in the second half of the 2000s and coincides with the emergence of ladyboy boards that made it possible for 100s or 1000s of ladyboy-curious farangs to take the plunge and prepare a visit to Thailand based on what they were reading on the boards.  Not just about the ladyboys but also the logistics of coming to TH on a budget.   Some of those farang newcomers were business inclined and opened new ladyboy bars such as those 3 mentioned (Guess was ladyboy owned).  It stopped being the "secret world of the glory days" but was still very much glory days throughout the 2000s as the scene continued to peak in tandem with the ladyboy forums that made such bars as Sensations and C&D the epicenters of the ladyboy world and brought the mongers together online and at those bars.

I guess in a broader sense you could say the glory days lasted through 2012-14 which is about when the scene peaked in terms of the number of bars and number of ladyboys.  Since then every year more mongers keep coming (including more and more from non-farang countries) and there are fewer and fewer ladyboys to service them.  That's the only timing we can be sure about:  we are irreversibly past the Glory Days.

 

 I agree that Nigel had a nasty attitude in the videos. I have a different opinion about the apeman. 

I'm afraid I going to disagree with you once again. I started investigating about ladyboys before registering in a forum to find information. 
Firstly, as I was looking for young looking shemales I had found my first Asian ladyboys websites, particularly Asian-TS. 
Then I had found information in blogs or websites like stickmannbangkok. I don't even remember what websites, but this how I started learning
Later on, I had my first membership in a forum that you like so much. To be honnest, I had found only one interesting information : Terry Tibbs had posted a video of a walk around Pattaya. Needless to describe the rest of BS I read. 

 

 

9 hours ago, HectorSonOfTroy said:

I don't know if i'm allowed to do this? If not i apologize in adcance! This is my absolute favorite: Miran! Oh you Gods! That eyes...that mouth...that skin...Where can i find this Goddess? I want to knee in front of her...mmmmhhhhh........

 

Well, it's not prohibited but it's useless and it's a wrong strategy; 

It's useless since this pic is 10 to 20 years old. Maybe this gurl had her silicone breast removed and is now living her life as a gay man or Thai ladies seductor. 

It's a wrong strategy since many newbies look for the porn star they saw in a video and forget about other ladyboys. I sometimes met ladyboy porn performers. They often look prettier than other ladyboys but nothing guarantees the quality of sex in the room.  This type of strategy isn't a good strategy since you're going to waste a lot of time trying to catch fishes who are not in the area of the ocean where you're phishing. Porn performers sometimes (often) use their fame to quote higher than average prices. But the main weakness of the startegy is your waste of time, time you make ladyboys waste when they are sitting in their bar and read messages instead of taking care of their customers and frustartion you generate among ladyboys against you. 

 

This reminds me I should create a few posts for a sub-forum for newbies. 

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12 hours ago, Pulci Gorgon said:

I don't despise him, maybe as a porn director since he was not really qualified to shoot porn, but I liked the way he told his monger stories (except maybe when he changed the ladyboys' names). 
I knew he had been arrested and deported but I never read what was the real reason. I would find it funny to meet him in a flight or in an airport flying to another destination. 

I hope he is still alive and in good health. 

 

 

 I agree that Nigel had a nasty attitude in the videos. I have a different opinion about the apeman. 

I'm afraid I going to disagree with you once again. I started investigating about ladyboys before registering in a forum to find information. 
Firstly, as I was looking for young looking shemales I had found my first Asian ladyboys websites, particularly Asian-TS. 
Then I had found information in blogs or websites like stickmannbangkok. I don't even remember what websites, but this how I started learning
Later on, I had my first membership in a forum that you like so much. To be honnest, I had found only one interesting information : Terry Tibbs had posted a video of a walk around Pattaya. Needless to describe the rest of BS I read. 

 

 

 

Well, it's not prohibited but it's useless and it's a wrong strategy; 

It's useless since this pic is 10 to 20 years old. Maybe this gurl had her silicone breast removed and is now living her life as a gay man or Thai ladies seductor. 

It's a wrong strategy since many newbies look for the porn star they saw in a video and forget about other ladyboys. I sometimes met ladyboy porn performers. They often look prettier than other ladyboys but nothing guarantees the quality of sex in the room.  This type of strategy isn't a good strategy since you're going to waste a lot of time trying to catch fishes who are not in the area of the ocean where you're phishing. Porn performers sometimes (often) use their fame to quote higher than average prices. But the main weakness of the startegy is your waste of time, time you make ladyboys waste when they are sitting in their bar and read messages instead of taking care of their customers and frustartion you generate among ladyboys against you. 

 

This reminds me I should create a few posts for a sub-forum for newbies. 

Thanks for this detailed comment! And thank you for your time and effort, sir! I know, sir, "Miran" ("Lela") is a Mirage, is a dream...my dream. But i found a real beauty...she works in "Why not Bangkok Bar"...Have a nice day, sir!

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If you really want to find him,

maybe his name is in the original Certificate of Incorporation?

If he was smart, he used a registered agent to mask his identity. But there's a chance he didn't know what the internet would one day become.

https://www.jerseyfsc.org/registry/registry-entities/entity/270137

It also makes me wonder if the ccbill link on the website still works. In the source code for the page it's linked to account number 924443 if you want to dig that route or contact the credit card company. You'll have to pay for 1 month, call CCbill and say "Hey it says I was charged by CCBILL 924443. What is that?" And then ask what company, if they have contact information. Feign curiosity. Use social engineering to get as much info as you can about the new company. You can proceed to dig. I can find literally anyone on this Earth.

Gosh the coding on that website is horrendous.

Edit: I edited this a few times.

Edit: I kinda had fun getting into it. The Jersey registered company was a shell, organized by a few fraudsters on that island. He organized through Panda Hosting Limited (pandahosting.com), Chickasa Limited (chickasa.com), Memberdoorway (memberdoorway.com), etc. Fairly sophisticated. I like this guy. Intelligent -or a smart person stole his company from him. Either way it's a dead site. He's either dead, company was stolen, or he moved on to new hobbies/work.

Edit: After switching various payment vendors (Zombaio, etc), he started accepting Bitcoin in 2014. If enough legacy customers paid in that, he definitely could have retired. There is a possibility that OP is the owner and is just testing his own OpSec. If it is you, let me know. I'd work for you.

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Thanks for the sleuth work @SirFrancisBacon and welcome to the board.  You are quite the hound.  When i started this thread the main fact-gathering was to establish the Apeman's nationality which we have not accomplished since no one here knew it or were we able to positively identify his English accent.

I once tracked like you did for the owner of another ladyboy site and with fewer iterations than you did was able to identify the name of the site owner's who turned out to be a semi-famous BKK-based author who immediately came up when I googled him.

I doubt at this stage, we could track the Apeman if he was ever even the owner (as opposed to a performing associate), as the website has probably changed hands to a consolidator to be left dormant for porn stragglers who think it is still worth to pay to see it. The Apeman being on record as having sex with Thai youths would also have wanted to dissociate himself from the site for legal reasons.

Then again, this is what I would say if I was the Apeman himself.  I like the idea of leaving such ambiguity in the air, but there are a handful of BMs here who know me personally and they would bust me saying I look nothing like him.

I doubt the Apeman is still mongering back to Thailand as he would be at risk of getting arrested for the crime we can not talk about in here. It's been 20 years but his models are still around and one of them could testify to being underage at the time of the pics and he would be at the mercy of the boys in brown regardless of whether or not he assuaged them in the past.

I recall that once I started a thread about him at PY (aka for the other dominant ladyboy board whose name must not be uttered at the Romscars Club) and it was promptly nipped in the budd as I think the Apeman's website was one of PY's porn sponsors.  The fact is that several of his models were (and looked!) underage despite several of them working in bars and having presumably passed the legal age requirement which in the 2000s TH was routine in the bar industry with everyone closing their eyes.

As to working for me, I could use someone like you to track a couple of mobsters... but how do I know you are not one of them setting a trap for me?  hehe

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