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COVID-19: The UPSIDES To The End of Pattaya As We Know It


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Greetings gentlemen,

Already prior to this COVID-19 madness I was a bit of a Dr. Doom regarding the outlook for Pattaya that, from personal observation, peaked mongeringwise in the early 2000s for GGs and in the early 2010s for ladyboys.  The reason has been shrinking demographics and rising incomes in Thailand that have reduced the supply of new P4P talent, while demand is (was!) increasing with more and more mongers coming every year.  The end result of these 2 market forces can only be less value for the buck, which spells the end of mongering Thailand as we know it.

From this perspective, COVID-19 could set back the clock on this trend as Thai incomes fall and fewer mongers will arrive in the foreseeable future.  HOWEVER, COVID-19 has also set in motion what everyone one expects will be PARAMOUNT social and economic shocks in Thailand that will change Pattaya for the worse.  Two in particular come to mind: (i) mass business closures, especially farang-owned;  and (ii) possibly, a change in national tolerance for sex tourism and sexpats.

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THE NEGATIVES AHEAD, which are dominating the discussion in the other COVID-19 threads.  THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE SILVER LININGS IN THE CLOUDS:  HOW WE CAN MAKE THE MOST OF WHATEVER COMES NEXT !

Let me start:

As a 30+ years veteran of SE Asia, I view myself as a SEASONED MONGER who can compete with the best of them in the pursuit of Thai pussy or ass.   I enjoy immensely the bar scene, but I don’t need it to get laid.  The way I see it, Pattaya’s COVID-19 apocalypse will wash away the competitive nuisance that are the lesser mongers, and us surviving seasoned players will rule the scene more than ever.  Many of the hotter GGs and ladyboys who might otherwise have shunned old sharks like me ... WON’T !

If you are a SEXPAT you are in an even better position.  You will have more natives than ever chasing after you and you will feel less cramped by the sex tourists.

Other positive outcomes will be LOWER PRICES for many of the expenses farangs incur like condos, rents, taxis, restaurants, maids.  Forecasting the exchange rate is complex but, ceteris paribus, the Thai baht will depreciate if there is less demand for it from tourists and investors.

And some positive micro-outcomes are already evident:  From what she tells me, TJ’s Lilly is down to 2 or 3 STs a day max.  She is even willing to do LTs.  And get this: she is even being turned down by cautious sexpats, which is a long overdue humbling experience for her.  How's that for a positive outcome of COVID-19?

Can you gentlemen think of OTHER POSITIVE POST COVID-19 SCENARIOS that give us all caged mongers something EXCELLENT to look forward to ?

Party on,

Rom

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For starters, I am not going to weep crocodile tears for Lilly.

On to what might be the good things that will come out of this,(and I dont think there will be too many). As we have all lamented, the exchange rate might revert to something more realistic, giving us more spending power in bars etc.. The reverse side of that may be that there will certainly be less bars around so less competition between them. It could cancel out any gains in the exchange rate. Hotels etc., should have lower tariffs. Then again the Thai logic seems to be that they increase prices when times are tough!.

As to the bar staff. I think they will flock back in from Isaan etc., looking for work. So that should be a real positive. They would already be feeling the heat from family members that they cant provide for. It might in some cases inspire them to provide some customer service as well. Not that I think it has been easy for them in the past year or so. 

Another aspect of this whole scenario is actually getting there. The airline industry is going to have a major shakeup. I can see more than a few going to the wall and once again how will that be reflected in ticket prices?. Could go anywhere. Up because of less competition or down due to less passengers. Virgin Australia looks to be in real trouble here. Not that Virgin is a competitor on the BKK run, but it will be one of many that go down unless the government bails them out.They are 4 Billion in debt and have asked the gov for 1.4 Billion to help out.

It is going to be a slow recovery at best. I certainly want to get back, and I will go as soon as it is given the all clear. But will be extra cautious as well. What will it be like giving a blow job with a mask on??.

 

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1 hour ago, Woodie said:

Virgin Australia looks to be in real trouble here. Not that Virgin is a competitor on the BKK run, but it will be one of many that go down unless the government bails them out.They are 4 Billion in debt and have asked the gov for 1.4 Billion to help out.

Just like to point out that only about 13% of Virgin is Australian owned via the sharemarket so I honestly hope that Aus gov does not bail them out. Their shareholders are Etihad (approx 22%), Singapore Airlines (20% approx), HNA  Group (Chinese airline approx 13%), Nanshan Group (Chinese airline approx 23%) and Virgin Group (UK approx 9%). If the airline is running at a loss ask the owners (shareholders) for more money.

Sorry to thread fuck.

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17 minutes ago, sydneyjohn57 said:

If the airline is running at a loss ask the owners (shareholders) for more money.

Agreed.  They came crying to the governments and not their shareholders, just like the banks did in 2008. They still haven't paid those loans.

F**king crooks. Fuck em.

The governments of Sweden and Denmark are offering credit guarantees worth billions of kronor in an attempt to see troubled Scandinavian Airlines (SAS) through the coronavirus crisis.

The two governments—which together own almost 30% of the carrier—are to provide state-backed credit guarantees worth a total of 3 billion Swedish kronor ($302 million) to enable SAS to borrow money on the commercial market.

"SAS is of great importance for the accessibility of both Denmark and Scandinavia. It also extends to jobs, businesses and the economy as a whole," said Danish Finance Minister Nicolai Wammen in a statement.

In addition to the backing for SAS, Sweden’s government also announced a further 3.5 billion Swedish kronor ($350 million) in credit guarantees for other airlines. The support will go to specialist airlines including those offering domestic services and medical flights.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2020/03/18/denmark-sweden-governments-offer-financial-support-to-sas-over-coronavirus-crisis/

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8 hours ago, Rom said:

Greetings gentlemen,

Already prior to this COVID-19 madness I was a bit of a Dr. Doom regarding the outlook for Pattaya that, from personal observation, peaked mongeringwise in the early 2000s for GGs and in the early 2010s for ladyboys.  The reason has been shrinking demographics and rising incomes in Thailand that have reduced the supply of new P4P talent, while demand is (was!) increasing with more and more mongers coming every year.  The end result of these 2 market forces can only be less value for the buck, which spells the end of mongering Thailand as we know it.

From this perspective, COVID-19 could set back the clock on this trend as Thai incomes fall and fewer mongers will arrive in the foreseeable future.  HOWEVER, COVID-19 has also set in motion what everyone one expects will be PARAMOUNT social and economic shocks in Thailand that will change Pattaya for the worse.  Two in particular come to mind: (i) mass business closures, especially farang-owned;  and (ii) possibly, a change in national tolerance for sex tourism and sexpats.

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THE NEGATIVES AHEAD, which are dominating the discussion in the other COVID-19 threads.  THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE SILVER LININGS IN THE CLOUDS:  HOW WE CAN MAKE THE MOST OF WHATEVER COMES NEXT !

Let me start:

As a 30+ years veteran of SE Asia, I view myself as a SEASONED MONGER who can compete with the best of them in the pursuit of Thai pussy or ass.   I enjoy immensely the bar scene, but I don’t need it to get laid.  The way I see it, Pattaya’s COVID-19 apocalypse will wash away the competitive nuisance that are the lesser mongers, and us surviving seasoned players will rule the scene more than ever.  Many of the hotter GGs and ladyboys who might otherwise have shunned old sharks like me ... WON’T !

If you are a SEXPAT you are in an even better position.  You will have more natives than ever chasing after you and you will feel less cramped by the sex tourists.

Other positive outcomes will be LOWER PRICES for many of the expenses farangs incur like condos, rents, taxis, restaurants, maids.  Forecasting the exchange rate is complex but, ceteris paribus, the Thai baht will depreciate if there is less demand for it from tourists and investors.

And some positive micro-outcomes are already evident:  From what she tells me, TJ’s Lilly is down to 2 or 3 STs a day max.  She is even willing to do LTs.  And get this: she is even being turned down by cautious sexpats, which is a long overdue humbling experience for her.  How's that for a positive outcome of COVID-19?

Can you gentlemen think of OTHER POSITIVE POST COVID-19 SCENARIOS that give us all caged mongers something EXCELLENT to look forward to ?

Party on,

Rom

i hope you mean it as a joke

otherwise it is fairly sad

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1 hour ago, sydneyjohn57 said:

Just like to point out that only about 13% of Virgin is Australian owned via the sharemarket so I honestly hope that Aus gov does not bail them out. Their shareholders are Etihad (approx 22%), Singapore Airlines (20% approx), HNA  Group (Chinese airline approx 13%), Nanshan Group (Chinese airline approx 23%) and Virgin Group (UK approx 9%). If the airline is running at a loss ask the owners (shareholders) for more money.

Sorry to thread fuck.

 I did know about the other partners.

I guess the point is that Qantas needs a competitor or fares go skywards!. Excuse the pun.

And we go back to putting up with the grumpy old flight attendants!!. Don't know which is worse?.

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Post-COVID19 Pattaya should be good for condo/hotel renters and condo buyers.  As Rom points out a drop in tourism should also depreciate the baht. The street grid is relatively fixed and less pedestrian and vehicular traffic makes for a more relaxed vibe. 

Unfortunately this comes at a great price to business owners, their Thai employees, and of course to those who contact the virus. 

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Thanks gentlemen.   Can’t find much silver linings in post-COVID Pattaya, can you?  Just call me Pollyanna, but whatever comes next there HAS TO BE an upside.

My objective for this thread was only to give ourselves a break from the doom and gloom of all the other COVID-19 threads. But I concede that perhaps survival of the mongerest, as a post-COVID motivator, may not have been the most inviting discussion starter.   Let me try something more consensual:

For starters, like everyone my age and older, I have been contemplating the higher, non-negligible odds of getting sick or dying of COVID-19.  So, regardless of what happens to the Pattaya mongering scene, just setting foot back in Thailand will feel greater than ever—like an affirmation of BEING ALIVE.  That’s gotta be a silver lining, right?

Another uplifting prospect for me is that I am experiencing the longest celibacy stretch of my adult life (no more booty calls with farang ladies under social distancing).  At this rate, when I finally get some Thai boom-boom it is going to be a quasi-religious experience from the moment I find myself in a hotel room with a naked lady, or ladyboy, or both.  Silverliningwise, it will be just like in the Kenny Rogers (RIP) hit song: 

                     Twenty weeks of jerking was bottled up inside Rom
                     He wasn't holding nothing back, he let 'em have it all
                     When Rom left the hotel room, not a GG or ladyboy was standing
                     He said, "This one's for LBR BMs", as he watched the last one swallow

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53 minutes ago, Rom said:

My objective for this thread was only to give ourselves a break from the doom and gloom of all the other COVID-19 threads. But I concede that perhaps survival of the mongerest, as a post-COVID motivator, may not have been the most reassuring discussion starter.

Very good. There are good things about this pandemic. Crimes here, such as robbery, rapes, drugdealers, drunken barfights  are basically non-existent now. Traffic is a breeze. The noise pollution here, which of course can't be compared to Pattaya, is gone. Must be lovely for Pattaya expats to enjoy the silence. No karaoke, no mobile cocktails bars with their horrible autotunes.

53 minutes ago, Rom said:

At this rate, when I finally get some Thai boom-boom it is going to be a quasi-religious experience from the moment I find myself in a hotel room with a naked lady, or ladyboy, or both.

I hope you will achieve this sooner rather than later.

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3 hours ago, seven said:

Crimes here, such as robbery, rapes, drugdealers, drunken barfights  are basically non-existent now.

Most crime in UK has also decreased over last four weeks, obviously because people are at home. But police are warning that drug shortages could lead to increased violent crime by desperate drug users and dealers.

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17 hours ago, seven said:

Very good. There are good things about this pandemic. Crimes here, such as robbery, rapes, drugdealers, drunken barfights  are basically non-existent now.

There are less drugdealers on the streets here in UK as police will spot them more easily.

Those that are still operating from open spaces like parks are using personal protection equipment!

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Less crime in general…there’s an upside!  But let’s get back to Pattaya ladyboy mongering upsides in particular.  The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that if there is anything good coming out of COVID-19 it is that Pattaya can use a good culling!  Too many PY-dependent nouveau ladyboy mongers cramping the style of those of us who don’t need bar owners to hold our cocks.

Moreover, COVID-19 has driven home for me the “life-is-too-short” adage, and I am making  a bucket list of I-don’t-give-a-damn things to do when I get back there.  Here’s what I wrote down so far:

*  Get to TJs early and immediately barfine Lily for LT without even talking to her. If she refuses, I will get the other sissies in a circle and spin a bottle for a replacement.

*  Tempted by the pics I saw here at the Zaza Club, I am going to get my first ever massage at Zaza, preferably from the curvy little GG if she is still there.

*  Afterwards I am going a couple doors down to Delirious and giftshare with Herberth a bottle of fine old Scotch of the 50+ I recently inherited from a relative who would rather hoard them than drink them.  (Life IS too short!)

*  If he likes Scotch, PDoggg can join us.  I plan to meet him.

*  Stoolpusher can join too if he is next door at the shop.

*  Then I go back to Zaza and LT barfine the GG (or whoever gave me the massage) because by then I may have a whisky-dick but it won't matter because I nailed her already and in the morning I will give her myself a probing massage up her colon.

*   Can’t say what or with who, but I am going to smoke on Jomtien beach at night while getting blown.

*   Can’t say who, but I am going to accidentally spill beer on someone and apologize and hope he gets nasty so I spill the rest on his face.

*   Can’t say who, but I am going to fuck again 2 specific ladyboys I had fucked in the past but are now considered "off-limits" because they are “in committed” relationships with farangs.  Will say or pay whatever it takes.

*   I will resurrect this by-then forgotten thread to report how COVID-19 has factually changed Pattaya.

Will I actually do all these things?  Perhaps not, because once there all bets are off and more interesting opportunities may arise.   But, for now, just thinking about this bucket list gives me HOPE that I will make the most of the post-COVID-19 Pattaya to find new ways to PARTY ON! 

Party on!

R

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*  Stoolpusher can join too if he is next door at the shop.

*  Then I go back to Zaza and LT barfine the GG (or whoever gave me the massage) because by then I may have a whisky-dick but it won't matter because I nailed her already and in the morning I will give her myself a probing massage up her colon.

Tempted by the pics I saw here at the Zaza Club, I am going to get my first evermassage at Zaza, preferably from the curvy little GG if she is still there.

 

your welcome to visit Zaza any time Rom , just send me a PM and I will make sure your list will happen for you 

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Norwegian Air crew units file for bankruptcy in Denmark, Sweden

Norwegian Air’s subsidiaries for employing pilots and cabin crew in Denmark and Sweden have filed for bankruptcy.

The companies are part of the Norwegian Group and responsible for hiring the airline’s pilots and cabin crew in the two countries.

Furthermore, struggling Norwegian says it has cancelled crew provision agreements with personell management company OSM Aviation. This affects employees based in Spain, Finland, Sweden, the United Kingdom and the United States, according to the carrier.

https://www.ifn.news/posts/norwegian-air-crew-units-file-for-bankruptcy-in-denmark-sweden/

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Thanks for the thread bump duke.  I started it exactly 2 weeks ago and since then the cv19 outlook has improved pandemicswise and I have begun making realistic plans for the aftermath.  I repeat REALISTIC because my objective for this thread was to be upbeat at a time of general Board gloom by encouraging BMs to focus on outcomes they can look forward to at an eventually-back-in-business Pattaya.  I did not want to dwell on the logistics and risks of it.

My more REALISTIC plan now is to get from the US back to Europe in July and from there to the PI if there are airlines flying.  I have far more important business both in Europe and the PI to take care of and the mongering (despite being sex-starved!) is an afterthought at this stage.  Chances are I was exposed already to cvd19 early in the pandemics and beat it with flying colors without realizing it.  In January I had one violent overnight flu (while I was in the PI) and after I got back in February another overnight of freezing chills like nothing I had ever experienced in my life.  Both these overnight episodes were uncharacteristic for me as all my life whenever I got flus it lasted 2 or 3 days of discomfort and one week to full recovery.

Having said that, I realize that if I travel early in the post-crisis I could find myself unexpectedly quarantined and (God forbid!) hospitalized under sub-standard care.  For example if a ladyboy I hung out with comes down with the virus and the health authorities trace me back to her.  And all of a sudden there I am stuck indefinitely in a room being milked for bills until I can buy my freedom.  Is that worth another week or 2 of mongering such as I have done dozens of times?  Probably not.

No more butterflying for a while.  I think I will just pick a good sex partner from the recent ones who I have stayed in contact with and have her stay with me 24/7 while in the PI and perhaps, a remote perhaps, in a quick visit to Thailand.  It’s not going to be like it used to but is still something to look forward to from where I stand here in these times of chastity and aprehension.
 

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On 4/15/2020 at 1:54 AM, Rom said:

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THE NEGATIVES AHEAD, which are dominating the discussion in the other COVID-19 threads.  THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE SILVER LININGS IN THE CLOUDS:  HOW WE CAN MAKE THE MOST OF WHATEVER COMES NEXT !

The big positive for me is that in the last three months I've had a grand total of two beers and currently my near sobriety is a habit.  To be sure, I'll drink more when the bars open but it's sure been nice waking up without even he slightest hint of a hangover.

My girlfriend has discovered the joy of working out.  With nothing much else to do it has become a habit for her which she plans to continue.

Two definite silver linings in the corona clouds!     :biggrin: 

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Love Thread F**king a Rom Thread

Just to say to all you weird and wonderful folk

after 12 weeks of lock down in Wales. I am finally crawling up the walls, still only allowed to drive 5 miles.

Have not put anything on forum  as nothing has changed But I am alive which is good

I am pleased you old ones like blind boy grunt, stoolpusher and likes are all still alive

Just had a look at some of the early post on the other forum about Covid - they make fine reading as most of what the members sayabout only a flu no big problem - noting is stopping them from seeing a bar with ladyboys etc.etc. - well i TOLD YOU So.

The Positive is I got a loan from Bank on Bounce Back which i would never have got before the virus

My Ebay is doing better than before

I have saved stacks on hotels, planes and Thai ladyboys

Cannot see myself on route to Thailand until a vaccine or summer ; that is if the General will let scumbag farangs like me back into the country

Cannot belive I am replying to a thread by Rom - I really am sinking to the bottom and loosing it

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