The Pattaya Times

[Stroker]

THAI POLICE CHEATED AND LIED - SAYS TOURIST TO THE 'SANCTUARY OF TRUTH'

As Thai police reel from allegations of incompetence and beating suspects during their investigation into the murders of Hannah Witheridge and David Miller on the island of Koh Tao perhaps an even more shocking story has come to light showing how Thai police invented  a crime to arrest a British tourist.

http://www.andrew-drummond.com/2014/10/how-thai-police-frame-suspects-exposed.html?utm_content=news&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=andrew+drummond&utm_term=andrew+drummond

[EyeMahk]

I'm just happy to see that despite the crackdown on LBS the Coconut bar hasn't changed

[Tomcat]

re Brit Arrested            Strokers Post 

 

Yes in indeed , shocking treatment, even though the guy should not be wearing a wallet around his neck i,ts as bad as it gets. So much for the land of smiles. One supposes that a third world Country you get third world prisons and thats that. No point in complaining to anyone .Giving the police a bit of lip is not advisable and my guess is that is why he got a rough time.

 

If i ever get mugged ill put it down to experience. The Prison sounds more like one of those African hell holes and i had no idea they dished this treatment out in LOS. Also 29  people dropped dead while he was there i think ... crikey  ..

[globetrotter]

On a side note, I noticed huge changes in the number of girls and ladyboys in the coconut bar. I have walked the beach road morning, noon and night on this trip, and at all hours, there is a fraction of the GGs/LBs as back in April. For example, last night at midnight, from The Avenue to Royal Garden, there was probably a few every 50 meters. Without exaggeration, 6 months ago, there was triple this number. And the number of cute ones was virtually non-existent.

I was totally sober though, maybe that was my problem.

You know the country is going to shit when I can't even walk down Beach Road and pick up a halfway decent looking hooker anywhere!

hmm that sucks, wonder where they all are working now

[pdogg]

 

In a joint operation involving the ATCC (Stop Human Trafficking and Child Abuse Center) and Pattaya Police, a 46 year old Frenchman was arrested over the weekend, accused of conducting sexual acts with a 14 year old girl.

Initially, the ATCC Director, Khun Palisorn, alerted Police that a 14 year old girl had escaped from a Children’s Shelter in Pattaya and was under the supervision of a 37 year old woman who is thought to have offered the girl to foreigners on Pattaya Beach.

Police arrested the woman, Khun Prapaporn who confessed to taking the girl to Pattaya Beach where the pair were approached by the Frenchman, Mr. Arnaud Mariolee, and a price of 700 Baht in exchange for sexual services from the 14 year old girl were agreed between both parties just moments before the Police arrived.

The girl and Mr. Mariolee were taken to the Live In Mansion in Central Pattaya and entered one of the rooms. Police arrived minutes later and reportedly found Mr. Mariolee and the girl in a state of undress inside the room. In a neighboring room another couple were found, Khun Sumreung aged 38 and Khun Achara aged 23.

Both were naked and claimed they were supplied the room by Khun Prapaporn. Police decided to drug test both of them and they failed the test and were later charged with class 1 drug consumption offences.

Mr. Mariolee was later charged with conducting sexual acts with a minor under the age of 15 and awaits further legal proceedings at this time.

http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/149886/frenchman-accused-of-sexual-acts-with-14-year-old-girl-in-central-pattaya/

[Guest JustSumGai]

I'm having a harder and harder time even THINKING about going back to Thailand. Stories of police having guys tossed in prison without a thought and military guys riding along in Cambodia with 7 million in counterfiet $100s, no or TOTALLY BOTCHED investigations. Really, they look as bad or worse as the Cambodian police.  Beyond the corruption, this? And even worse, THEY DON'T CARE. 

the continuing litiny of such stories prove to me just how serious the junta is about changing things for the better. They're just as bad.

[Tomcat]

The West is also not so clean

 

In the Economist Mag last week it basically slammed the West and especially the US legal system where plea bargain has lead to the wrongful imprisonment of many it seems . 

 

The prosecutors have been seen to hold back evidence in many cases and also the snitch is seen in many cases to lie so they get off lighter and send some poor sap down for a crime he did not commit

[pdogg]

 

 

 plea bargain

 

Always thought that this is unfair.

 

Let's say you're accused of a crime and you are innocent.

 

If convicted let's say you risk going to some hellhole prison where you'll get raped for 10 years.

 

Let's say if you plea bargain you get 2 years in Club Fed, what some Yanks call low security prisons for mostly white collar criminals.

 

I might not be willing to take the risk of a trial and take the plea bargain.

[rxpharm]

I'm having a harder and harder time even THINKING about going back to Thailand. Stories of police having guys tossed in prison without a thought and military guys riding along in Cambodia with 7 million in counterfiet $100s, no or TOTALLY BOTCHED investigations. Really, they look as bad or worse as the Cambodian police.  Beyond the corruption, this? And even worse, THEY DON'T CARE. 

the continuing litiny of such stories prove to me just how serious the junta is about changing things for the better. They're just as bad.

 

As Tomcat posted, do you really think western countries don't have their share of problems? Also as PD posted, there is a different kind of justice for the wealthy in western countries.

 

Does that make you think twice about visiting those countries? If not, then I would say you're just looking for reasons to leave Thailand not just based on the news.

[Trenton42]

the continuing litiny of such stories prove to me just how serious the junta is about changing things for the better. They're just as bad.

 

It's ridiculous to think Prayuth can change *everything* overnight.  Thus far, the junta has made great progress, and I'm still pro junta! 

[xyzzy]

I'm having a harder and harder time even THINKING about going back to Thailand. Stories of police having guys tossed in prison without a thought and military guys riding along in Cambodia with 7 million in counterfiet $100s, no or TOTALLY BOTCHED investigations. Really, they look as bad or worse as the Cambodian police.  Beyond the corruption, this? And even worse, THEY DON'T CARE. 

the continuing litiny of such stories prove to me just how serious the junta is about changing things for the better. They're just as bad.

 

  Thailand has always been this fucked up. It just took us a few years to notice...

[saab1]

Did anyone see the news ? Big bust on human trafficking, 130 the number of people found since Saturday in the province of Phang Nga to the north of the famous resort island of Phuket, nationals from Bangladesh promised high payed jobs in Thailand were drugged, starved and beaten, and were ready to be sold as slaves, but were saved when Thai Police raided the gangs hideout, and the Bangladesh nationals were released ready to go back home

[seven]

I'm having a harder and harder time even THINKING about going back to Thailand. Stories of police having guys tossed in prison without a thought and military guys riding along in Cambodia with 7 million in counterfiet $100s, no or TOTALLY BOTCHED investigations. Really, they look as bad or worse as the Cambodian police.  Beyond the corruption, this? And even worse, THEY DON'T CARE. 

the continuing litiny of such stories prove to me just how serious the junta is about changing things for the better. They're just as bad.

I agree with you no matter what topcat, rx  or PD says.  To mention legal certainty and Thailand in  the same sentence and compare it to the west is offensive.

[seven]

you really think western countries don't have their share of problems? 

I know i can't bribe the cops in my city, and i'm also pretty sure they won't make up a fellony i didn't do and throw me in jail.

I'm still pro junta! 

Congrats, how rich of you.  How about the rest of the worlds juntas? Assads? Zapatas? IS? Pinochets junta?

[Tomcat]

I agree with you no matter what topcat, rx  or PD says.  To mention legal certainty and Thailand in  the same sentence and compare it to the west is offensive.

re           wrongful imprisonment and arrest

 

you dont live in London, its a joke. Ive been arrested 3 times for nothing in the past 10 years.No wonder the police are so hated here. Dont think about getting arrested in Italy either , or Greece or..

[pacman]

In the Economist Mag last week it basically slammed the West and especially the US legal system where plea bargain has lead to the wrongful imprisonment of many it seems . 

 

The prosecutors have been seen to hold back evidence in many cases and also the snitch is seen in many cases to lie so they get off lighter and send some poor sap down for a crime he did not commit

 

The US justice system is a travesty by all accounts. The concept of Plea Bargains where you have to decide between a shorter custodial sentence for something you never did rather than a brutally longer sentence if you are found guilty, how on God's earth is that justice? 

 

Combine that with a system that sees legal officials elected to their office & judges & prosecutors fear losing their job if they don't get enough convictions or they haven't passed the death sentence often enough to satisfy a public hungry for revenge, it's a system designed to fail.

 

I have heard of people so frightened by their brush with American police they have decided never to go back. I'm sure they won't be missed but it's a hell of an indictment on the country that stands between a free world or the Islamisation of the west.

[Trenton42]

Congrats, how rich of you.  How about the rest of the worlds juntas? Assads? Zapatas? IS? Pinochets junta?

 

Junta refers to a military controlling a government after seizing control of it by force; nothing more.  A junta is not necessarily a bad thing; in fact, in Thailand's case we see a benevolent junta. 

 

It's easy to forget that just six months ago, peaceful protesters were being attacked by hand grenade throwing gangs that were paid for by the previously elected government!  If that's democracy, you can keep it!

[Guest JustSumGai]

Comparing how Thai's conduct rule of law and the US is apples and oranges and you know it.  Rationalize all you want to there is a REAL difference.  At least i've got some rights here. There ANYTHING that happens to me will be BLAMED on me. Here an investigation will take place. They won't just laugh. Ask Lance about that.  It's HIGHLY unlikely, if not impossible for a guy to be railroaded in court into a year sentence, in a language he don't understand...for filing a report that he was mugged.

 

     I'm hopeful about the junta too, but clearing the beach of beach chair bullies is lower on my priority list than the question of how is it when WESTERN men fly off balconies or whatever it's heart stopped or drugs or suicide (which of COURSE it could be, but  every time?), case closed.  I think you KNOW the general problem.  Perhaps you have enough money to live above all of it

[pacman]

Comparing how Thai's conduct rule of law and the US is apples and oranges and you know it.  

 

I assume you are referring to me. It would help if you use the quote function. (Clear your browser if it doesn't work properly)

 

Where did I compare the US to LOS? That's ridiculous. In Thailand we wouldn't expect justice, in the US it's reasonable to expect it to be a given. 

 

 

 

Rationalize all you want to there is a REAL difference.  

 

 

Where was I rationalising? I was making an observation, nothing more. You are reading things into my post that aren't there.

 

 

 

At least i've got some rights here.

 

 

I guess you haven't looked closely at the Patriot's Act. Good luck with your "rights" if you ever fall foul of that. Otherwise, yes, I agree, the world looks to America as a place where people have rights. 

 

 

There ANYTHING that happens to me will be BLAMED on me. Here an investigation will take place. They won't just laugh. Ask Lance about that.  It's HIGHLY unlikely, if not impossible for a guy to be railroaded in court into a year sentence, in a language he don't understand...for filing a report that he was mugged.

 

 

That's fine, no argument. There have been terrible things done to innocent people in LOS & most other Third World countries. In First World countries we expect things to be different. It's one of those tragic facts that the same screwed-up, vengeful thinking can be found in "civilised" countries as well as the poorest places on earth. There's only a veneer of protection when things go horribly wrong.

 

 

I'm hopeful about the junta too, but clearing the beach of beach chair bullies is lower on my priority list than the question of how is it when WESTERN men fly off balconies or whatever it's heart stopped or drugs or suicide (which of COURSE it could be, but  every time?), case closed.

 

 

I think the junta is trying to change things. It will take years to end the corruption & incompetence but from the little I've seen & read, they are trying.

 

 

I think you KNOW the general problem.

 

 

If you mean the "general problem" is the aforementioned incompetence & corruption then yes, I understand.

 

 

Perhaps you have enough money to live above all of it

 

 

Enough money for what? To pay off the police & the authorities to avoid trouble? I don't think anyone can "live above all of it" regardless of their wealth. That's assuming I have understood what "it" in this context means. 

[Guest JustSumGai]

no Paccers, not you mostly, it started with Rx.  I thought I was reading ThaiVisa for a minute there.  The "best defense is a good OFFENSE" style posting kinda continued.  I was strictly speaking of Thailand. And the many new stories, even in just this year, dead couple on beach, this poor guy filing the mugging report, just look over the recent pages of this topic.

    There are many who don't see this stuff and avoid it by living in such places it won't touch em and going from airconditioned condo to air conditioned car to upscale this or that, which of course have plenty of security. If wallet around the neck guy or couple on the beach kids had done this probably nothing would have happened. There are a LOT of those guys out there, gated communities in the old subic comes to mind. These guys often have a completely different take on things than others. Everything is just ducky.

     I would much rather run afoul of a mistake in the US than Thailand.  Ppl here commit minor crimes to get out of the winter for a bit. That's after your taxpayer paid lawyer holds yer hand thru the process. And you get your own bed, not space to sit hunched up while roaches run and other inmates die.  I hope that guy does come back to sue, but hey, while he might walk away with millions in the US on such a lawsuit, I think we know how it would go in Thailand. And yet some ppl will always say, "I have no problem here and I've lived here since it was Siam".  An island resident here comes to mind.  They're sometimes called apologists on TV. I had to stop reading that site, it's full of em.  Oh, I forgot, what ever happens to one here, it's OK, we have to remember we are GUESTS here. Yeah, right, don't guests usually get treated well? I await the next news story on this topic. Hopefully it won't be another dead guy or someone taken for their life savings by a new wife.  Lord KNOWS I would like to see more typical stuff. I LIKE Thailand. In a way xyzzy did sum it up pretty well.

[pdogg]

 

In the early hours of Wednesday a 40 year old Indian Tourist became the latest victim of a common crime on the streets of Pattaya, a necklace snatch.

The snatch took place in front of the Royal Garden Plaza and the suspect, a ladyboy named as Khun Atachai aged 21, was caught moments later by Pattaya Police.

Mr. Jaiswal Sudhir explained to Investigators at Pattaya Police Station that he was walking back to his Hotel with a friend when the suspect approached him and hugged him, during which time the theft of the necklace took place.

Not only was the suspect arrested, the necklace was recovered and later returned to its rightful owner.

Khun Atachai claimed this was his first attempt at a necklace snatch but Police suspect he is part of an organized group of Ladyboy’s who prey on Middle East and Asian tourists late at night on Pattaya Beach.

http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/151513/indian-necklace-snatch-by-ladyboy-on-pattaya-beach/

[pdogg]

 

 

Pattaya officials had inspected some bars after a foreigner was attacked and injured. After arresting the attacker they ordered the bars to close until further notice.

PATTAYA – Recently [Pattaya Daily News]; regarding to the case that Kuwait man who had been attacked and injured by the pub guards on 22 October at 01.00 am. The police arrested Mr.Danthai Paksachart aged 29 who worked at the Spice Girl pub as a guard.

 

On 23 October at 01.00 am Mr.Sakchai Tang-Ho-chief district of Bang Lamung-, Mr.Prapan Pratumchompoo and Mr.Jakkrit Booranakittipinyo-deputy chief district of Bang Lamung- had led a team to inspect Spice Girl Agogo and Champion Agogo . Upon inspecting the pubs the employees were shocked and the officials found foreign alcohol which had no revenue stamp so they were confiscated.

 

Later the officials inspected Champion Agogo Show pub, the officials found 10 dancers dancing so they checked all the employees ID. Initially the police officers arrested Mr.Somchart Kiyapat aged 50 who was manager of the 2 pubs. In addition, the officials ordered the pubs to close.

 

The officials also inspected I-Bar pub after they received complaints that the operator had installed a bigger billboard. Upon inspecting there was a huge billboard and the operator also sold hookah for the customers. Plus the operator had constructed a building overlapping into the sea. Therefore the officials immediately ordered them to close the pub. Mr.Sakchai revealed that the incident where a foreigner was attacked had destroyed the good image of Pattaya and the officials already informed the operator but didn’t listen. Initially the officials closed all the bars linked with the attack and also closed I Bar because it pub sold hookah and built an illegal building which was overlapping into the sea.

http://www.pattayadailynews.com/pattaya-news/pattaya-officials-close-bars-foreigner-attack/

[EyeMahk]

http://www.pattayadailynews.com/pattaya-news/pattaya-officials-close-bars-foreigner-attack/

 

Someone forgot to pay their tea money.

[pdogg]

 

A Thai girl notified the police that she was attacked and injured by French boyfriend. However after questioning her boyfriend he told them that the injuries were sustained while he was trying to take a knife off her.

PATTAYA– 23 October, 2014 [Pattaya Daily News]; at 10.00 am Ms.Pornpan Khummuang aged 22 notified the police that she had been attacked her boyfriend a Mr.Nicolas Guet aged 28 in Aom apartment. After notification the police officers rushed to the scene.

 

Upon questioning Ms.Pornpan she revealed that she and Mr.Nicolas went to Mr.Nicolas’s father restaurant and later they returned to their room where they started arguing because Mr.Nicolas was jealous of her. She then picked up a knife and Mr.Nicolas tried to take it from her and accidentally broke her wrist and cut her arm.

 

Mr.Nicolas told police that he didn’t attack her and all he did was take the knife off her which lead to the injuries. Pol.Col.Suttisak Wantee revealed that Ms.Pornpan didn’t want to press charges but wanted a divorce. However the police officers prosecuted him for his actions.

http://www.pattayadailynews.com/pattaya-news/thai-girl-accidentally-injured-french-boyfriend/

[pdogg]

I suppose some would just chalk this up to Darwinian capitalism.  

 

RIP to this guy who just wanted to send money home to his family.

 

Don't know what he made in Thailand but in Cambodia the going rate is about 4 to 5 USD a day for this dangerous work.

 

Rainy so no work?  Then no pay.

 

 

On Wednesday afternoon a 25 year old Cambodian Construction Worker fell from a 5th floor platform at a site in South Pattaya, as he erected scaffolding.

The dead man was identified as Mr. Puak and according to fellow workers, he was working on the 5th floor of a new condominium in Soi Khopai in South Pattaya, and was told to construct scaffolding in preparation for the construction of the roof.

Suddenly workers heard a scream and a loud thud at the base of the building and realized Mr. Puak had lost his footing and fell. CPR was administered at the scene but the victim was later pronounced dead at Hospital.

An investigation into the cause of the accident is now underway.

http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/150502/cambodian-worker-dies-in-construction-site-accident-in-south-pattaya/