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35 minutes ago, Quietguy said:

The employees thought things would go back to as before - I think a bar owner on here said the girls in his bar thought that. But two weeks on, those businesses have realised that tourists still won't be coming back in the near future and have closed down again or are staying open with few customers coming in, probably only expats not spending much. 

Some bars have been open for 13 days (15 - 2 Buddha days).   Some others waited until after the Buddha days.   After being stuck at home for months, many guys were anxious to get out.  And in a generous mood since the girls are hurting and most guys have had low expenses while the bars were closed.  

The real test starts now after the initial surge.  In the GG world there is simply not enough expats around to support all the existing bars.  I think ladyboy bars are in somewhat better shape but there are probably going to be rainy nights with hardly any (or no) customers.    A secondary problem is that expats tilt more towards drinking with their mates while tourists tend to interact with the staff more.  But to a large degree guys mates are back in Farangland so a guy may just choose to stay home rather than go out alone. 

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the tourist honcho said they expect a 30% business failure rate by years end.  I'm betting soon construction will grind to a halt on things like condos (which there are ALREADY too many of).  The after affects of Covid will be worse than the virus was IN Thailand, for sure.  How many years did it take for them to bounce back from the Asian Crisis of 97? anyone know? I know there's a couple tall buildings empty and never completed since that time, on the river.  Imagine if that happens now, there will be half built eyesores all around Bkk. I think for them it's about to get much worse than a relative few deaths from virus.

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5 hours ago, JustSumGai said:

How many years did it take for them to bounce back from the Asian Crisis of 97?

I don't know but the '97 crisis helped tourism as the baht plunged.  I think one could get 70 baht for each GBP.

With corona, if Thailand is determined to stay safe, the border needs to remain more or less closed indefinitely.  So iMO much depends on how well the rest of the contains/eradicates Covid-19.   

 

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Here you go, all you quarantine fans. You did everything right, especially the U.S., I guess. We did everything wrong. At least according to CBS news.

Sweden becomes an example of how not to handle COVID-19

CBS News correspondent Elizabeth Palmer went to Stockholm and found that, despite the worrying statistics, most Swedes still seem fairly relaxed.

Stockholm residents who Palmer met on the streets said they were trying to social distance, when possible, but face coverings are still a rarity. Taking a ride on Stockholm's subway, Palmer was the only one on the train wearing a mask.

But there's no doubt that Sweden's "lockdown lite" has cost lives. One of them belonged to Helen Gluckman's 80-year-old father, Jan.

She said without hesitation that she had "lost faith in the government," and in Sweden's public health authorities who have the direct responsibility for determining the country's coronavirus strategy.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sweden-covid-coronavirus-deaths-make-sweden-example-of-how-not-to-deal-with-covid-19/

Footnote: 90% of casualties have been over 80 years old with underlying conditions.   

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There are about 10% more new USA Covid cases today than yesterday's new Covid cases.  At this rate it should hit about 100K new cases a day in about a week or so.  Corrective action is being taken in various Sunbelt states but there is a time lag between when one catches Covid and when symptoms appear so I doubt if the curve will flatten before the 100K point.

Note that Thailand is up in arms about the 2 new cases.

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On 7/14/2020 at 12:57 AM, BigTel said:

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This is amazing. Two cases and a whole flow chart created. 

Even though I'm a never leave it American (I guess since my family is part Native American, and part African, I have always hoped we would get it together to make the it great for everyone), our total failure in addressing the Covid19 Pandemic shows just how backwards our politics is, and has been, since the founding of the nation.   

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2 minutes ago, seven said:

So whats the solution to all this? A total lockdown world-wide?

i guess it all boils down to what you think 100K lives are worth. Seems like the Thai and Vietnamese think their people are worth it.  We, in America, would rather have the gears of capitalism run rather than keep 100K proletarians alive.  

Anyway, what is wrong with a total lockdown for 1 or two years. There is enough money sloshing around the world to feed everyone, but then we would have to take it from the 1%., but we can't ask the bourgeousie to help the proletarians.  Doesn't work like that...So by December 250K Americans will be dead, but The Walton Family, The Kock Brothers, and Jeff Bezos will still have all their billions.

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1 hour ago, RandiUno2 said:

i guess it all boils down to what you think 100K lives are worth. Seems like the Thai and Vietnamese think their people are worth it.  We, in America, would rather have the gears of capitalism run rather than keep 100K proletarians alive.  

Anyway, what is wrong with a total lockdown for 1 or two years. There is enough money sloshing around the world to feed everyone, but then we would have to take it from the 1%., but we can't ask the bourgeousie to help the proletarians.  Doesn't work like that...So by December 250K Americans will be dead, but The Walton Family, The Kock Brothers, and Jeff Bezos will still have all their billions.

I'm pretty sure we are reasonably on the same side of the political spectrum from reading your posts. I used to love your country, in fact it was my goal and dream to "make it" over there. After spending a good part of my youth in San Diego I returned to Sweden. I have revisited  several times as years passed by and for each and every visit I become more hesitant to pursue my dream. Now many years later I'm pretty comfortable deciding against it.

I don't know if you follow news globally, or only local news as many Americans tend to do. Sweden decided on a laissez-faire approach to the Covid-19 pandemic compared to the rest of the  world. Unfortunately Trumpers have used us as an example how they would like the U.S. to act.  Nothing can be further apart than mine and your countries ideologies. The other unfortunate thing is that we have pretty much adopted your capitalistic system from being a "socialist" nation over the last 30 years. The bourgeoise and upper class will never ever let their fortune slip away over something so insignificant like the working class and other less fortunate people.

Re-arranging the assets and powers of the world is something we could hope for, but I doubt that will happen, certainly not while the poorest who lost their jobs  are starving to death as we speak. I'm afraid that number will be a lot greater than 100K.

A long total lockdown would cause more harm on every level of society, not only financially, than a more relaxed approach. A 1 or 2 year lockdown is unrealistic. Italians and spaniards went nuts after 8 weeks.

This is of course only my opinion. I respect yours and thank you for answering.

Peace.

 

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i think the reason our "leaders" (official and otherwise, the 1%'ers) don't much care about the way it's going (except at election time) is that by and large, the rich won't die from covid, the poor and non rich will.  Find a copy of Zardoz sometime, it's got to be allegorical :)

I think Lung (if he's still out there) will know what I mean.

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1 hour ago, JustSumGai said:

i think the reason our "leaders" (official and otherwise, the 1%'ers) don't much care about the way it's going (except at election time) is that by and large, the rich won't die from covid, the poor and non rich will.  Find a copy of Zardoz sometime, it's got to be allegorical :)

I think Lung (if he's still out there) will know what I mean.

When its 1 person doing stuff that's stupid, you call it stupid.

When its a coordinated pushback of mass opposition to masks, social distancing and common sense measure.. you have to begin to wonder if its a genocide to cull the herd and provide more resources to the rich.

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and raise prices, provide new products no one would really buy previously, or services, not to mention lower wages with a motivated workforce that won't object to abuse.  Plus as I mentioned a fast track to robotizing.  This kind of desire for money and power would probably be categorized by psychiatry as mental illness, meglomania, sociopathic....I'm crazy? maybe but what about Noam

 

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Here's the latest advice we have here in Wales .

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8530449/Wales-BANS-public-transport-users-talking-mobile-phones-new-coronavirus-rules.html

 

Wales BANS public transport users from talking on mobile phones, reading newspapers, eating food or running for the bus in new Covid rules

Rules also order passengers not to run through bus or train stations

Operators were told they could bring in the changes from last Monday

Only 18 new Covid-19 cases were identified in Wales today, taking total to 16,871 

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3 hours ago, JustSumGai said:

and raise prices, provide new products no one would really buy previously, or services, not to mention lower wages with a motivated workforce that won't object to abuse.  Plus as I mentioned a fast track to robotizing.  This kind of desire for money and power would probably be categorized by psychiatry as mental illness, meglomania, sociopathic....I'm crazy? maybe but what about Noam

 

Quite heavy going, and I am sure would get shot down by the corporates.

I still squirm when I hear Americans say they are the most free people in the world as he did near the end. In my humble opinion it is not so. It is certainly not the most giving of societies to it's own unfortunates. Maybe gives plenty of overseas aid, but what strings are attached?.

Still one of the few countries where people can lose their house because of medical expenses. That surely should change.

I do think that there will be a shift in the balance of power in the world, with the US not the dominant power as it has been since the 2nd World War. Greed has a way of turning back on it's self. You have people and families such as those in power now that just should not be there. With the current state of play it may change politics in the US for a long time.

As an outsider it seems that it is such a divisive atmosphere. Especially when you have the two parties splitting the number of states and this in turn resulting in different strategies on how to deal with the virus.

Individual freedoms and all, leading to horrific case numbers in some states.

We have a similar political setup here which can lead to some bad situations. We have two states here , (the most populous ones), that are having a battle with the virus, but nowhere near the scale that exists in the US.

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always been this way to some extent I suppose. The USA was founded by rich landowning guys. Democracy is a myth, made to mollify the masses. Kinda like religion :)  There's always some selfish, greedy, power hungry prick wanting to grab everything he can for himself, need be damned.  Mentally ill really. Anti social to boot. I assert that most normal people just want to LIVE.  Enough to eat, a nice home, kids have a chance for college, you know.  Too busy working to keep an eye on the 1% underlings known as government.  The news media is twisted by the 1% (hell they own it) so no one truly knows what's the news of the day.  Elections are a dog and pony show.  

Thing is that it's gotten SO BAD now (practically all out in the open with dissent only being a good sound bite) that at this point I wonder how much worse it can get.  If they ever get a colony in space it's all over. We are just a herd of animals to be managed, and avoided, like cattle in a Kansas city stock yard. 

This whole Corona thing is just another thing that'll be managed to the advantage of the mentally ill, greedy, power mad pricks. Just as the bubble burst was, with the  robbers and thieves benefiting while the masses paid for it. 

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1 hour ago, JustSumGai said:

The USA was founded by rich landowning guys. Democracy is a myth, made to mollify the masses. Kinda like religion :)  There's always some selfish, greedy, power hungry prick wanting to grab everything he can for himself, need be damned. 

JSG telling it like it is!   :good:

And the rich landowning pricks were able to convince soldiers to die for the prick's land.  Other pricks who were slaveowners promised their men freedom if they fought in the war and then afterwards reneged on their promise to the survivors.

Basically all the nationalistic stuff we were taught at a very young age was a crock, propaganda designed to justify the ruling elite keeping an outsized share of what hard working men and women produced.

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The USA has 75,000 new corona case today while Thailand is gripped in fear over the one Egyptian case in Rayong.  Massive cancellation of hotel rooms in Rayong.  Even cancellations in Pattaya since it is so close.  Next weekend is a four day holiday so will be big for domestic tourism.  A Rayong bigwig said, “I am confident that Rayong people are free from Covid-19,” he said. “If anyone visits Rayong and contracts Covid-19, I will personally pay them Bt100,000". 

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1 hour ago, Pdoggg said:

“I am confident that Rayong people are free from Covid-19,” he said.

“If anyone visits Rayong and contracts Covid-19, I will personally pay them Bt100,000". 

PD, you should go rim all the ladymen you can find in soi 6/1 pronto, no mask , no glove, then shoot down to Rayong and collect the 100K. :biggrin:

I had Corona in december , its rough but you recover.

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27 minutes ago, JustSumGai said:

95% RECOVER. Something that seems lost in all the information storm.

we are "sacrificing" (economies, lifestyle, freedoms and more) the 95% so 5% might become 3 or 4% ?

In Thailand the 5% becomes 0% if the border remains closed without sacrificing lifestyle or freedom.  I do understand that no tourism severely impacts the economy but unrestricted tourism would probably lead to lots of restrictions and loss of freedom which might be worse. 

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