Coronavirus

[Tomcat]

 

[BigTel]

Excellent video Tomcat .

[BigTel]

 

[deleted]

Confirmation Bias: the tendency to process information by looking for, or interpreting, information that is consistent with one’s existing beliefs. This biased approach to decision making is largely unintentional and often results in ignoring inconsistent information. Existing beliefs can include one’s expectations in a given situation and predictions about a particular outcome. People are especially likely to process information to support their own beliefs when the issue is highly important or self-relevant.

https://www.britannica.com/science/confirmation-bias
 

[Quietguy]

I wouldn't quote Steve Bannon as an authority on anything. He is a far right activist.

[BigTel]

1 hour ago, Quietguy said:

I wouldn't quote Steve Bannon as an authority on anything. He is a far right activist.

I agree with you,unfortunately that still doesn't detract from the facts regarding the timeline they are giving in that video.

[Pdoggg]

2 hours ago, Quietguy said:

Steve Bannon

 

Scaramucci: Some of us have different views, but lets subordinate all that nonsense and work for the president and knock it off.

Ruhle: Anthony, you said 6 months ago that you think Steve Bannon tries to suck his own penis. pic.twitter.com/a5AAcIVn5o

— Lis Power (@LisPower1) January 4, 2018

For the record, if I had that ability, I'd never leave the house!  So quite a useful skill in coronavirus times.   

[Ashoka]

23 minutes ago, Pdoggg said:

 

For the record, if I had that ability, I'd never leave the house!  So quite a useful skill in coronavirus times.   

 

Yeah I have my family and my fav ladyboy with me. Only left the house for food, meds over the last 6 weeks.

[Ashoka]

Meanwhile..

 

[duke007]

 

[Tomcat]

21 hours ago, seven said:

Exactly. I agree with the first point "a pandemic that could kill millions". 

 

Jared Diamond a well known Anthropologist from LA in an interview 5 minutes ago said he thinks Corona may in fact  kill around 142 million 

He calls it a moderate disease ....142 mil . will be a let off.   He said the trade in exotic animals must be stamped out.... or

The next nasty may be another black death and the body bag count could be in Billions

[Pdoggg]

33 minutes ago, Tomcat said:

142 million 

Jesus Fookin Christ

[Tomcat]

I had no idea Pakistan had re opened all the Mosques , hugs , handshakes and all ... well there you folks  maybe Jareds view is not so extreme.  

[Ashoka]

[Tomcat]

Anyone been to Taiwan lately , they are preparing for war. The Island is riddled with thousands of bunkers and missile silos. Taipei has Tanks hidden every where . I would not be surprised if a wounded China decides to flex its muscles now..... a bloodbath would ensue if it tried to invade but who knows. Some UK Press think that the USA could take out China air capacity in a week or two but would Trump get involved???

I would not be surprised for a big flare up in the next six months...IMO China is going to war on this some day as it can afford the losses, its just when and maybe now as its going to a pariah anyway ... why not

Where Godzilla when you need him !

 

[seven]

7 hours ago, Tomcat said:

142 mil . will be a let off.

We're fucked. I'm writing my will tomorrow.

[Pdoggg]

5 hours ago, Tomcat said:

Anyone been to Taiwan lately , they are preparing for war.

Another geopolitical rumour is that Kim Jong Un is seriously ill.   This uncertainty in North Korea has caused the South Korean won to weaken.  

[BigTel]

5 hours ago, seven said:

We're fucked. I'm writing my will tomorrow.

I have written mine, the hardest part next is getting the two witnesses .

[BigTel]

This is so frustrating, we are all in lock down here yet there is no health vetting on arrivals at our biggest airport.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8238583/Hundreds-arrive-Heathrow-virus-hotspots-theyre-not-stopped-Covid-19-screening.html

No tests, no checks... and no sense: Hundreds of passengers arrive at Heathrow from virus hot spots – and they're not even stopped for Covid-19 screening

 

The Government’s stance on air travel is that screening incoming passengers at this stage of the pandemic would be futile.

As Mr Hancock said late last week: ‘We don’t test at airports because the number of people coming through has dropped dramatically. Scientists say the epidemiological impact of keeping travel open is very small, because there’s already large transmission here.’

Perhaps so, yet driving away from Heathrow along the near-deserted M25, it was ironic to pass sign after sign urging motorists to make ‘essential journeys only’.

Millions of Britons are dutifully complying with this edict.

For anyone flying here, however, even if they are coming from the world’s deadliest Covid-19 hotspots, the door to Lockdown Britain remains wide open. 

[rxpharm]

13 hours ago, Tomcat said:

I had no idea Pakistan had re opened all the Mosques , hugs , handshakes and all ... well there you folks  maybe Jareds view is not so extreme.  

All the Gulf Arab countries are currently in lockdown. This Includes no mosques open. Saudi Arabia announced there will be no Haj this year. All these measures are first time events in recorded history in this area.

 

[rxpharm]

There are a number of people who think all this is fake and a conspiracy. If this is the case would Russia be having problems?

Russia is now having problems with the pandemic as reported a few days ago by the CBC.

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Kremlin finally gives in and cancels giant party to celebrate Second World War victory — and Putin


Chris Brown · CBC News · Posted: Apr 16, 2020 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: April 17


Quite uncharacteristically, the Russian state TV host did not bury the bad news as he led off the show.
"We're now following the same model as Italy," Yevgeny Popov said in a stunning about-face from just two weeks ago, when the host of the popular Russian talk show 60 Minutes said the government was getting the coronavirus outbreak under control.
Now, Russia's most widely watched Kremlin-funded news programs are telling people they should prepare for thousands of deaths.
Along with that shift in messaging has also come a change in behaviour from President Vladimir Putin.
Shifting messages

Putin had been keeping an unusually low profile as the virus spread, preferring to make good news pronouncements such as paid holidays for workers and help for businesses, while leaving unpopular decisions such as enforcing quarantines to lower-level officials.
But this week, a concerned-looking Putin has made daily addresses, emphasizing that the situation has become dire and Russians should prepare themselves for plenty more bad news.

"Truly extraordinary measures are required to stop the spread of the infection," he said in an address Tuesday from a conference room at his estate outside Moscow, where he's been holed up for the past two weeks after meeting doctors who later tested positive for COVID-19, the illness caused by the coronavirus.
Officially, Russia has registered more than 25,000 cases of the coronavirus and 198 deaths, but many doctors and local officials believe those numbers don't reflect the true extent of the outbreak.
Putin, who after 20 years in power rarely reverses course on any significant policy matter, has suddenly backtracked on several.
A nationwide referendum that could allow him to serve up to two more six-year terms as president was postponed, and he stepped back from an oil price war with Saudi Arabia that he'd initiated and agreed to limit Russian oil output in a deal aimed at propping up the crashing ruble.

Victory Day parade postponed

But the biggest reversal came on Wednesday with a decision to postpone the May 9 Victory Day parade marking the 75th anniversary of the end of the Second World War in Europe — a hugely symbolic event, arguably more important to many Russians than even the Olympics.
Heaped in national pride and symbolism, the annual event is always a display of military might, but doubly so this year, as it was designed to be a personal celebration of Putin's long reign at the top of Russia's political hierarchy. The Kremlin had repeatedly denied it would ever consider moving the celebration.


Russian President Vladimir Putin chairs a meeting with members of the government via video link from his residence outside Moscow. (Sputnik/Alexei Druzhinin/Kremlin via Reuters)
But with the strain on Russia's underfunded health-care system now showing up everywhere, the plan to assemble tens of thousands of soldiers and spectators for the spectacle in Moscow's Red Square now appears to be too great a risk for the country's leadership.
Video posted Wednesday by the independent Echo Moscow radio station showed patients in a St. Petersburg hospital, reportedly with pneumonia, lying in the corridors on bare mattresses.
"There's no oxygen [for patients]," the medic who shot the video said in a comment that accompanied it.
In the city of Ufa, 1,500 kilometres east of Moscow, as many as 1,100 patients and staff at Kuvatov Clinical Hospital have been under quarantine for the past 10 days after COVID-19 rampaged through the facility.

In an interview with CBC News on Monday, Dr. Rimma Kamalova, who heads the hospital's rheumatology department and is quarantined in the facility, said when the outbreak started, regional health authorities refused to test patients for coronavirus.
"According to our policies ... we could not do testing on coronavirus," she said.
"We had orders, at that time, not to give this diagnosis and take the relevant [mitigation] measures."
She spoke with CBC News while awaiting the results of her own COVID-19 test, noting that she was already exhibiting high fever and other symptoms. Every single other doctor on her ward is also sick, she said.
"We were extremely worried about this. [The patients] would come into the hospital, be admitted and then treated, then discharged and they would go back to their towns, and cities and regions."
Doctors defiant

Once the extent of the outbreak became apparent, she says, the same health authorities that ordered them not to test for coronavirus accused them of letting it get out of control.
By April 6, the situation had become too extreme to ignore and the entire hospital was put into quarantine, with no one, including staff, allowed in or out.
In the northern region of Komi, the Moscow Times reports that six hospitals are under a similar quarantine.

• 'Too soon to let our guard down': How Canada has avoided a surge of COVID-19 cases in hospitals

In Moscow, 13 million residents live mostly in highrises closely packed together. The city has two-thirds of the active cases in the country.
Hospital admissions are spiking, according to the city's mayor, and widely circulated social media videos this week have shown long lines of ambulances waiting to drop off patients. Some drivers complained they had been in line for as long as 15 hours.
Increasingly, doctors are coming forward and risking their positions and reputations to speak out about the deteriorating situation.
Faulty tests

In a series of interviews, several doctors told CBC News that Russian health authorities squandered early opportunities to contain the virus, in part because testing was faulty.
"The sensitivity of the tests is about 65-70 per cent," said Dr. Pavel Brand, who works at a private clinic in Moscow.
"So we sometimes don't know if the person died from COVID or from something else. And so we put them in another part of statistics, and that's why the statistics are low."
Russia has developed its own COVID-19 tests that the government claims have been administered to more than a million people, but there have been repeated criticisms about large numbers of false-negatives.
There were also long delays with verifying positive results, as only one facility in Siberia was equipped to do it.

Infection specialist Alexei Yakovlev at the Medsi hospital in Moscow said most early cases of COVID-19 were treated as pneumonia by health authorities, and only now has Russia's government agreed to combine the tally of both.
"The numbers of patients with severe pneumonia are going up, and my feeling is that we have not reached the peak yet," he told CBC News.
He said in the days ahead he expects a dramatic spike in both deaths and active cases, once the combined figures for COVID-19 and pneumonia are released.
Businesses crushed

The Kremlin also appears to be growing increasingly concerned about the economic fallout from the shutdown of Moscow and other Russian cities.
Anastasia Tatulova, who owns Anderson Cafe catering services in Moscow, said the government put businesses like hers in an impossible position when it ordered employees to stay home from work for the month of April, yet still expected her to pay dozens of workers.
"We have no safety net," she said. "These decrees come out and, well, it seems they don't even understand the basics of how a business is set up in Russia."


Anastasia Tatulova owns Anderson Cafe catering in Moscow and has been urging Russia's government to do more to help out small businesses trying to survive the pandemic. (Alexei Sergeev/CBC)
On Wednesday, Putin responded by offering small businesses up to $160 Cdn a month per employee, as long as the company retains most of its workers.
To put that in perspective, Russia's statistics agency says average monthly wages range between $850 and $1,300 Cdn, depending on the exchange rate.

Prominent economist Alexei Kudrin, the architect of many of Russia's most successful financial reforms and now an auditor of government spending, told a Russian business publication that the economic implications of the outbreak are close to catastrophic.
He predicts more than eight million Russians may be unemployed by the end of 2020 — a threefold increase from the start of the crisis.
Compared to Canada, which has a robust unemployment system and has introduced other benefits to help during the emergency, Russia's social supports are relatively meagre.
The TASS Russian news agency reports that the amount available to a single person per month ranges from between $30 and $150 Cdn.

 

[seven]

On 4/19/2020 at 11:38 PM, seven said:

the dodgy facemasks

Federal Prison Staff Say the Government Is ‘Getting Hustled’ with Bogus Coronavirus Masks

“The quality is terrible,” said one federal prison staffer of the KN95 he received. “I don’t even know where they got ’em from.”

When Coleman got a look at the new masks last week, he didn’t like what he saw. They were KN95s, a controversial Chinese-made version of the N95. 

“This is a counterfeit mask,” Coleman recalled thinking. “This mask is from China. It’s not approved. This is what they're sending our law enforcement officers? They’re using us to test masks? That’s not good.”

 

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/884z4g/federal-prison-staff-say-the-government-is-getting-hustled-with-bogus-coronavirus-masks?utm_source=dmfb&fbclid=IwAR2ifDgfCTFyIrhw70WkHMp2trbNFdwr9vB4W-XlLFc1zqBt47vVCQ2cJH4

[Woodie]

Is it me, or do a lot of the protestors in the US protesting about being in lockdown have a certain "look and mannerism" about them?. Or maybe it is that the tv crews pickout those types?.

It may be that you can see through one ear and out the other!. And to think we say that people in the modern era would not behave in a herd like manner as they did in the 30's etc.

People will always do that. It is part of the human psyche.

[deleted]

1 hour ago, Woodie said:

Is it me, or do a lot of the protestors in the US protesting about being in lockdown have a certain "look and mannerism" about them?. Or maybe it is that the tv crews pickout those types?.

It may be that you can see through one ear and out the other!. And to think we say that people in the modern era would not behave in a herd like manner as they did in the 30's etc.

People will always do that. It is part of the human psyche.

Yep. We have a very special breed of knucklehead here in the States. But I assure you, they are not as great in number as they appear on the tele. Most of them are in the Southern States, former slave states prior to and during the US Civil War. Demographically, they are primarily white, working-class and uneducated, reacting to their loss of privilege and poor economic status and prospects.

[seven]

15 minutes ago, Sylvester said:

Demographically, they are primarily white, working-class and uneducated, reacting to their loss of privilege and poor economic status and prospects.

Trumpers.