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I must admit I felt a little uneasy

When she bent down to tie the laces of my shoe

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Nigel Farage's Brexit Party is on course for major success in the European election later this month, and would alter the landscape of British politics if a general election were held in the U.K., according to new polling.

A poll by Opinium for the Observer puts the Brexit Party on 34 percent of the vote — more than the Conservative and Labour parties combined — in the EU election in late May.

I don't know too much about UK and European politics but if I were a Brit voting in EU election I guess I'd vote for Labour.

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Britain's in a bit of unease at the moment. My guess is the same anti-EU sentiment will increase in the continent too.My prediction is a last minute concession by the EU. It needs to reform, I think that's obvious to all. So many countries in Europe are unhappy, look at France! Look at Italy! The UK is one of many rebels.

I will never vote Labour again for the rest of my life. Champagne socialists who care nothing for the working classes. They have brought misery to the UK.   

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1 hour ago, redrockrevival said:

I will never vote Labour again for the rest of my life. Champagne socialists who care nothing for the working classes. They have brought misery to the UK.   

Could not agree with you more there Redrock,  Corbyn is a duplicitous terrorist loving piece of scum along with His flock.

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4 hours ago, redrockrevival said:

Champagne socialists who care nothing for the working classes.

Is there any party in the UK that advocates taxing billionaires more so that the working class is taxed less?

I also have a question about the NHS as health care is a big issue in the USA.

Are you guys happy with the NHS?  Is it free?   Are there long waiting lists?


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9 minutes ago, Pdoggg said:

Is there any party in the UK that advocates taxing billionaires more so that the working class is taxed less?

I also have a question about the NHS as health care is a big issue in the USA.

Are you guys happy with the NHS?  Is it free?   Are there long waiting lists?

I think all parties advocate taxing the super rich, but in reality it's not so easy. They'll just piss off to another country where they get taxed less. Unfortunately the working class doesn't have that option. A much easier target.

 

The NHS is the 5th biggest employer on the planet!! It's a bloated organisation for sure and it needs to be managed better, but I'm super happy that the country has universal health care. 

I think a big problem is with modern society really. People request to see a doctor for the slightest of things in the UK. I think in the past people were a bit more thoughtful. I think there's less civic responsibility in the UK, probably throughout Western Europe too. A definite sign of a fragmented society.

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3 hours ago, BigTel said:

 Corbyn is a duplicitous terrorist loving piece of scum along with His flock.

So I take it you wouldnt go out for a pint with him then amogo?  :crazy:

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I must admit I felt a little uneasy

When she bent down to tie the laces of my shoe

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36 minutes ago, Pdoggg said:

Are you guys happy with the NHS?  Is it free?   Are there long waiting lists?

The NHS has saved my life, I didnt pay a penny and I didnt have to wait long.

Yes, I am very happy with it B)

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I must admit I felt a little uneasy

When she bent down to tie the laces of my shoe

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1 hour ago, duke007 said:

The NHS has saved my life, I didnt pay a penny and I didnt have to wait long.

Yes, I am very happy with it B)

I hear this from a couple of mates in Ebgland and I have come to this conclusion:  If you have something that if serious and life threatening, then it usually works well and you get good care.  if somethign is semi serious or even preventitive, then its not so good.  Better said, its not nearly as good as if you had good insurance here in the US of A.

Thankfully, my health is pretty good but I had a couple of cases within the last 7 years where I had to see a specialist and get an MRI.  No wait at all.  That would not happen in the UK with the NHS.

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3 hours ago, duke007 said:

The NHS has saved my life, I didnt pay a penny and I didnt have to wait long.

Yes, I am very happy with it

I'll second that :biggrin: :drinks:

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3 hours ago, duke007 said:

So I take it you wouldnt go out for a pint with him then amogo?

I would if I could get Him alone as only one of us would be coming back from that drink and it wouldn't be Him  :biggrin:

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7 minutes ago, BigTel said:

I would if I could get Him alone as only one of us would be coming back from that drink and it wouldn't be Him  :biggrin:

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9 hours ago, redrockrevival said:

It needs to reform

 

9 hours ago, redrockrevival said:

Champagne socialists who care nothing for the working classes

 

4 hours ago, redrockrevival said:

It's a bloated organisation for sure and it needs to be managed better, but I'm super happy that the country has universal health care. 

I think a big problem is with modern society really. People request to see a doctor for the slightest of things in the UK. I think in the past people were a bit more thoughtful. I think there's less civic responsibility in the UK, probably throughout Western Europe too. A definite sign of a fragmented society.

I couldn't agree with you more on these points here, redrock. EU is by no means perfect, but the alternative to bail is worse. Like you say the EU needs to be reformed thoroughly.  We have free healthcare too and I wouldn't want it any other way even if I could afford private healthcare which is now on offer since a few decades here. Are they any better? Hell no.

All these private care providers are doing is leeching/abusing the system ( tax money and government funds) and provide shitty care. Elders sit unattended for days in their pissed undies, while the healthcare company makes millions in profit from taxpayers money.

40 years ago all medical care was state owned and it was near perfect.

2 hours ago, ArchieBunker said:

Better said, its not nearly as good as if you had good insurance here in the US of A.

With all do respects, archie, I'm not convinced you have a clue about the quality of the european health care system. I have lived in your country, while that was a long time ago and I was young and healthy, and wouldn't suggest I know about yours. But when my friends in the US need to take a loan to afford medical care, you know somethings wrong.

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1 hour ago, seven said:

 

 

I couldn't agree with you more on these points here, redrock. EU is by no means perfect, but the alternative to bail is worse. Like you say the EU needs to be reformed thoroughly.  We have free healthcare too and I wouldn't want it any other way even if I could afford private healthcare which is now on offer since a few decades here. Are they any better? Hell no.

All these private care providers are doing is leeching/abusing the system ( tax money and government funds) and provide shitty care. Elders sit unattended for days in their pissed undies, while the healthcare company makes millions in profit from taxpayers money.

40 years ago all medical care was state owned and it was near perfect.

With all do respects, archie, I'm not convinced you have a clue about the quality of the european health care system. I have lived in your country, while that was a long time ago and I was young and healthy, and wouldn't suggest I know about yours. But when my friends in the US need to take a loan to afford medical care, you know somethings wrong.

What I am talking about is word of mouth stuff and its only about the system in the UK.  The notion is health care is "free' isnt true.  Its not "free".  What you mentioned about OUR health care system is also word of mouth. 

Why didnt your friends in the USA have health insurance?  if I lost my job, that would be one of the first things I would make certain I had.  

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40 minutes ago, ArchieBunker said:

Why didnt your friends in the USA have health insurance?

One guy couldn't afford the insurance.( I think he spent his money on pot). This was way back in college though, I'm not saying I know better now. Fyi, our system is not very different from NHS. 

39 minutes ago, ArchieBunker said:

Also, if private care is so shit in your country (I think its Sweden) why would anyone in their right mind go private???

We are shifting from a system which was well known all over the world. Its political, rightwing and alt right is gaining ground here like everywhere else in Europe.  Liberals and rightwing made it possible for private operators who came in and offered/ (bribed their way) the care for less than the cost government had. Lower cost= poorer quality, nurses with no education, doctors "educated" in Poland and Lithuania, less personnel/staff , no unions, poor conditions for the workers.

I think one of the biggest private companies is american owned btw. 

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3 hours ago, seven said:

 

EU is by no means perfect, but the alternative to bail is worse.

I don't agree mate. Staying in a reformed EU would be my first choice, but a full break might the best in the long run. I see the EU sleepwalking into disaster. The inability to curb mass immigration, the subsidies and protectionism, the inequality between north and south, and this constant talk of expansion and "confronting the Russian menace"  really worries me.

Truth is Britain was never fully in anyway, and that has always been something the EU wanted to rectify. Lets face it, Britain should have the Euro. Keeping the Pound  always showed a lack of commitment. Actually, I'd be happy for Britain to scrap the Pound and go 100% into an economic commitment with the European community. But the EU is a flawed project just now. It's beginning to look very imperialistic to me.  Very elitist.

 

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Well you must have used that line about spending money on pot tongue in cheek.  Also it MUST have been BEFORE Obamacare since Prince Barack cured all ills.  That system is STILL in place today.

Its interesting that the right wing is now making inroads in many countries in Europe like yours.  Ever think about the reason for this??  is it because a bunch of dumb ass hicks from Georgia (the state not the country) and Alabama have moved to your country and vote???

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3 hours ago, ArchieBunker said:

if I lost my job, that would be one of the first things I would make certain I had. 

I retired in 2005 at 51 when my job went to Mexico. I have been providing my own health insurance since then. I've spend tens of thousands of dollars on insurance that has an obscenely high deductible. I'm in reasonably good health and never had a big health bill. So the insurance only pays for my yearly check up and some vaccines. I never come close to the deductible which has been $5500 to $7000 for years.

The ACA (Obama-care) has paid a large portion of my health insurance premium for the last few years including this year because (fortunately for me) the Republicans didn't repeal the ACA (sorry Archie). I'm close to Medicare age now so things will be changing for me. But because of my age the cheapest health care package I could get for this year would have cost me about $12,000 without the ACA. The ACA kicked in when my premiums had gotten up to about $6,000 a year). I might of had to make some tough decisions if not for the ACA. 

I did make the decision to retire early and lose any insurance I would have at work. I must confess at the time I had no idea how high health insurance premiums would get in the future. And FWIW I'm not a wealthy person. 

For a lot of people Obama-care sucks. No doubt if the GOP had managed to pass a plan, when they controlled both houses, it would have sucked. But they tried to pass a plan before they even had a plan. That didn't work out so well. If you have a job in the US health care is pretty good. If you don't it can really suck.          

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1 hour ago, redrockrevival said:

But the EU is a flawed project just now.

I absolutely get your points, and I agree on this. I just believe united is better than standing outside.

1 hour ago, ArchieBunker said:

Ever think about the reason for this??

People are scared. We have the EU election coming up in 2 weeks and you should see the fear monger campaigns.

 

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I don't think I like the sound of the American healthcare system, The European style suits me better, and if at some point I have extra cash I'll bump up to private.

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