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 The best possible candidate to come along in many, many years will announce tomorrow that he is running for President. He would be an excellent president, someone who would finally stop caving to special interests and Wall street, and who would drastically slash the defense budget like we need while at the same time allowing more and more young people to get a decent college education, with interest rates on their loans similar to the big banks; IE, 1% instead of 6.4%.

 

  We kind of know he has no real shot, despite the glowing words from the best journalist in America, Matt Taibbi, in today's Rolling Stone.

 

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/give-em-hell-bernie-20150429

 

Reasons for this are many, but mostly boil down to;

 

Most mainstream news operations don't take him seriously.

 

He doesn't have the right "look." Think Robert Redford in "The Candidate"; or, more recently, one Willard Mitt Romney.

 

Too liberal - as if there's such a thing.

 

Doesn't suck up to corporations or Wall street bucks.

 

Doesn't play the ass-kissing game for rich donor money.

 

Wants to overturn Citizens United. What American wouldn't want that, seriously?

 

Wants to cut defense programs; that scares many Americans, who are constantly fed scary stories by news programs meant to drive ratings and not tell us the truth.

 

And many other reasons, none of which make any sense. IMO Bernie Sanders from Vermont would be the best American president we have ever had, and I hope he kicks Hillary's ass and leads some kind of revolution in the country, the same way Obama did in 2007 and 2008. He's got my full support; Give 'em hell Bernie, and best of luck!

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''But Sanders genuinely, sincerely, does not care about optics. He is the rarest of Washington animals, a completely honest person''

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Damn right, PD.

 

The rich keep getting richer, and that trickle-down NONSENSE the right-wing has been promoting since Reagan - which his eventual Vice President and successor, GHW Bush, called "voodoo economics'' in the 1980 debates ..................before he and his semi-retarded son used that exact same strategy to destroy our economy while making their friends and corporations wealthy - simply does NOT work. People really think rich folks are going to use their wealth to employ more poor people?  Get real, the Walton family is a prime example of the top getting wealthy while their minions and serfs stay poor.  Hell, most people who work at their WalMart stores need to go on the dole to supplement their meager incomes, and since they rarely offer full-time jobs so they don't have to pay health insurance to their workers, we subsidize those same people with medicaid while the Waltons get more and more tax breaks. Yuccch.

 

  I'd like to think Bernie has a real shot.....there is no one else coming in from the Dem side besides Hillary and little-known Ex-Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley.  Unfortunately, while he has name recognition it's for all the wrong reasons, and having that dreaded "socialist'' label attached to him won't help; Americans are scared of what they don't understand, and as mentioned the news networks are good at scaring people with words like that.

 

     I live in a state which could make a real difference in his campaign, if he can beat Hillary here - and she is not loved by any means in these parts - he may have a shot to win some more states and make it a race.  Go, Bernie, go!


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He hasn't even announced yet and the eright-wing press is already singling him out as a ''socialist" ...... that won't play well in Middle America, Huckabee-lands, but IMO he could wrap up huge blue states like Mass, NY, California and Oregon.

 

 

http://www.examiner.com/article/socialist-bernie-sanders-to-announce-run-for-president-as-a-democrat

 

Socialist Bernie Sanders to announce run for president as a Democrat

 

''Despite the fact that he is officially an Independent, he caucuses and campaigns with the Democrats and is, functionally, a Democrat, albeit a far left one.''

 

 Good!   I am so tired of wishy-washy moderates like Obama and Hillary, we need a true Liberal in there!


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Go, Bernie, go!

 

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I think he has a shot.

 

He needs to convince the media that there's a new set of rules, that a serious candidate does not need to raised massive amounts amounts of money for TV ads.  His strategy should be a Facebook campaign.

 

You can slice and dice your target audience in Facebook ads.  Perhaps Democratic and Independent men in Iowa.  Pour most of the money there and New Hampster where it's easy for him to  campaign.  If he were to win those two states, he's all of a sudden a serious candidate.

 

I don't think men really like Hillary.  Even those men who agree with her positions.  Fox News will be gentle during the primaries because they want him to give Hillary a run for her money.

 

In the general election, he could very well be up against a far right Repub and could even win the general election.

 

The message is simple.  The 99%ers are taking the country back from the vested interests.  Yo would think that might appeal to some of the 99%. 


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 Good!   I am so tired of wishy-washy moderates like Obama and Hillary, we need a true Liberal in there!

 

But I think the message should be that he is a populist instead of using the L word too much.

 

The country should be run to benefit all the PEOPLE not just the 1%.

 

The vested interests will attack.  And they'll spend lots of money to influence the outcome of the election

 

But unlike in Cambodia, the power elite can't actually fix the election.


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But I think the message should be that he is a populist instead of using the L word too much.

 

 

 Agreed 100%.

 

Populists do very well in America, he will also have to steer well clear of the dreaded "S" word - as in socialist.

 

   Here's a clip of GHW Bush telling reporters "I challenge one of you to go out and find where I called Reagan's policies Voodoo Economics"  so some reporter did LOL.   Those policies have nearly destroyed this country since 1980; only because the Democrats come in and fix the messes the Repubs make is this country ever stable.

 

Our best years in the best 35 have been under Clinton and Obama; surpise? Nope.  If nothing else, Bernie entering the race will force Hillary to lean more to the left where she belongs.

 


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Populists do very well in America

 

  

Perot got 19% of the popular vote in '92 in a 3 way race which was quite a good showing.

 

As Honest Abe said, "You can't fool all of the people all of the time"

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Consumer advocate Ralph Nader also did pretty well in 2000....unfortunately, though, he split the Dem vote so much that Bush the younger got in there.   And we all know what happened after that, hell we will be saddled with the debt from 2 wars which got us absolutely nothing for years to come.....not to mention a little thing called a worldwide recession and housing market collapse? Yeah, right; I'd vote for an ''R'' sometime soon. Not.

 

  Problem with him was he was a 3rd-party guy like Perot; I think Sanders will stay a D and not split the vote, that could spell disaster for the Dems and send yet another Bush kid to the WH.  How stupid would this country have to be to try that again?


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Doesn't suck up to corporations or Wall street bucks.

 

 

 

That in itself would cause me to vote for him .

 

About time there were politicians with principles and convictions  lets hope he gets the chance to test them out .

 

I never did like Hilary Clinton , a false person and a liar with a big silly grin .

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I can see a bright green strip of grass beneath the wall, and clear blue sky above the wall and sunlight everywhere .

Life is beautiful. Let future generations cleanse it of all evil , oppression and violence , and enjoy it to the full .

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Today's HuffPo......I am taking their advice!

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/why-not-bernie-iowa-and-new-hampshire_b_7169592.html

 

 

''Why Not Bernie? Iowa and New Hampshire Should Make a Statement and Vote Sanders Over Hillary''

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Bernie is by far the BEST senator or congressman alive today. I love him so much. I have never heard him ever say anything I disagree with.  I will vote for him if he on the ballot. In the general election I will vote for whichever Dem wins the nomination. 

 

NEVER NEVER NEVER going to ever vote for a stinking Repuke piece of shit and I have total disdain for anyone who does. 

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I suppose that Archie will be happy with a Republican president and should be very happy now the Republicans are "cleaning up the mess" that the most "corrupt" president in US history has created.

 

What I can't understand is why states like Kansas and Florida keep voting in state governors and legislators who do not have the people's best interests in mind. Turning down federal funds through the Affordable Care Act and then suing the federal gov't for not funding state medicare in Florida is a bizarre strategy. Meanwhile in Kansas, public schools and universities no longer have sufficient funds to deliver quality education due to tax cuts and budget cuts that were promised to deliver a new era of prosperity to Kansas citizens. At least the Kansas governor had the sense to accept health care funding via the Affordable Care Act. All the dire predictions of the disaster that "Obamacare" have materialized, and are not likely to.

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Bernie said:

 

 

Today, the Wall Street executives--the crooks on Wall Street whose actions resulted in the severe recession we are in right now; the people whose illegal, reckless actions have resulted in millions of Americans losing their jobs, their homes, their savings--guess what. After we bailed them out, those CEOs today are now earning more money than they did before the bailout. And while the middle class of this country collapses and the rich become much richer, the United States now has by far the most unequal distribution of income and wealth of any major country on Earth.

 

OK, there are certain social conservatives who will never vote for Bernie.

 

And I suspect that our Forum members may underestimate that women think it's their time and will vote for Hillary.

 

But the message above should resonate with the 99%ers or at least the 80%ers.

 

Why is it un-American to have more equal distribution of wealth in our society?

 

Iowa and New Hampshire really play to Bernie's strengths.

 

100 years ago prez nominations were controlled by party bosses.

 

That then morphed into who could raise the most money.

 

Ya know, in '72 McGovern got the nomination because he took advantage of new primary rules. He realized the game had changed and adjusted accordingly.

 

Perhaps the game has changed once again?  Social media is an inexpensive way to garner mass support.

 

Keep the message simple:

 

Domestic:  The guy busting his ass at Walmart dererves better.

 

Foreign Policy:  The way you show true respect for soldiers is not by waving the flag but rather by not sending them to be slaughtered in unnecessary and counterproductive wars.


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WTF Rx? The Reps ain't cleaning up shit. Obama was able to clean up some of Fucking God DAMNED Dubya's mess, but the Repuke obstructionists won't let him do everything needed done. 

 

All the fucking Repukes want to do is further screw over the middle class and the poor while putting more $$ into the pockets of their 1%er friends. GOD DAMN every one of those sons of bitches and anyone who votes for them!!!!!

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Sorry Lefty, just trying to be satirical as Archie has made his feelings re: Obama quite well known. Although he hasn't been the best, I don't believe he is the most corrupt and certainly not the worst president in US history.

 

However, there definitely needs to be a reform of the US political system. Lobby groups and rich individuals/corporations have far too much influence that do not reflect the interests of the average US citizen.

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However, there definitely needs to be a reform of the US political system. Lobby groups and rich individuals/corporations have far too much influence that do not reflect the interests of the average US citizen.

 

:happy0065:

 

Unlike in much of the world, US citizens aren't in any danger if they support reform.

 

It's simply a matter of waking up the working class and the middle class.

 

But the upper middle class is scared of reform.  The marginal tax rate is very important to the guy making 100K a year.  But the actual rate is less important to the guy making 10 million a year as there are so many loopholes available to them that are out of reach to the guy making 100K a year.

 

Even if Bernie were elected it would be extremely difficult to get real reform passed in Congress.  What we need is a Power to the People wing of the Democratic party something akin to Newt Gingrich's Contract With America or whatever it was called.

 

I believe the domination of 99% of citizens by the power elite is the biggest problem in America today.

 

Goldman Sachs doesn't give a shit either way about abortion, gay marriage etc. that dominate Fox News.  All they care about is that they retain power so money keeps flowing to them instead of hardworking ordinary citizens.

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Sanders told USA Today: "I've been traveling around the country for the last year trying to ascertain whether there really is grass-roots support in terms of people standing up and being prepared to take on the billionaire class. I believe that there is.

 

Billionaire Class has a nice ring to it. 

 

I'm not against a hard working doctor who madeit to the 1%.  But it's high time for the Billionaire Class to start supporting society rather than just taking from society.


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:happy0065:

 

Unlike in much of the world, US citizens aren't in any danger if they support reform.

 

It's simply a matter of waking up the working class and the middle class.

 

But the upper middle class is scared of reform.  The marginal tax rate is very important to the guy making 100K a year.  But the actual rate is less important to the guy making 10 million a year as there are so many loopholes available to them that are out of reach to the guy making 100K a year.

 

Even if Bernie were elected it would be extremely difficult to get real reform passed in Congress.  What we need is a Power to the People wing of the Democratic party something akin to Newt Gingrich's Contract With America or whatever it was called.

 

I believe the domination of 99% of citizens by the power elite is the biggest problem in America today.

 

Goldman Sachs doesn't give a shit either way about abortion, gay marriage etc. that dominate Fox News.  All they care about is that they retain power so money keeps flowing to them instead of hardworking ordinary citizens.

 

Realist view of the current US system. The "American dream" is much less possible now than it was 40 years ago, yet the rich and powerful have deluded the average American any change in the system will destroy the chance of improving their lot. Now a significant percentage of voters believe that tax cuts for the rich and powerful is a good idea. Any contrary ideas and you must be a socialist or even worse a communist - anti-American!

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He doesnt have a chance!  I say thank goodness for that.  I never will understand why people hate rich people.    Jealousy??  The fact is the top 10% of taxpayers end up paying over 90% of the tax revenue.  How much more do you guys want??

 

I think its immoral of the govt to confiscate more than 50% of a citizens wealth via taxes. I would say, for me, that figure might be around 40%.  Nobody mentions the FACT that when Kennedy, Reagan, Bush 43 lowered taxes revenue actually INCREASED!!!  When talking about Obamas wish to raise the capital gains tax a reporter asked the president if he were Ok if that actually DECREASED revenue to the US Treasury.  Guess what he said?  He was fine with that.  The guy is such an idealogue he wouldnt care if his policy would decrease revenue as long as the rich paid more.  huh???  Socialism ( and Sen Saunders does indeed describe himself as one) is fine until you run out of other peoples money to spend.

 

Look at the vast wealth that left winger like harry reid and the Clintons have ammased.  you think they will pay 40% + on the  "death tax"??  Like fuck they will.  That makes them all hypocrites.

 

I think the big problem is the IRS and the manner in which we collect taxes.  this is totally intentional by those who write the laws.  BOTH sides are culpable.

 

Eliminate almost all deductions, have a (mildly progressive) flat tax and some kind of VAT.

 

The War on Poverty has been about as successful as the War on Drugs.

 

Anyway Bernie has about as much chance of becoming President as Ted Cruz or Rand Paul.

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