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I came in yesterday via Suvarnabhumi as per usual, got to the immigration desk and was very surprised when the officer first checked my entire passport and then called over her superviser who whisked me away to talk to, not an immigration officer, but an army officer. He was clearly unhappy with how I had been staying in Thailand. The issue appears to have been that my stays were all within the 28 days allowed, I then left the country for 17 or so days and came back in for a further 28 days. At no time had I overstayed the 28 days but this is now seen as a blatent attempt to avoid getting a visa. I turned on the smooth persona and was allowed in this time but with the clear instruction that I was not to return without a visa, otherwise I would not be allowed in. It was entirely within the officer's remit to refuse me entry this time and it was clear that he would have done so if I had given him any reason.

 

So, for any BMs who do as I do - come in for 28 days, leave again for what I considered to be a reasonable period and come back for a 28 day stay - it might be worth getting a visa!

 

I had entered for one day in early September just to change airports to fly to Malaysia and had no problem at all getting in. Either I picked a bad day yesterday or they are beginning to tighten up considerably before the next high season.

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They are certainly paying more attention to frequent visitors.  As I mentioned elsewhere when I was coming in recently they asked me what do I do in Thailand after flicking through the last few pages of my passport.  Fortunately I have a double entry Tourist Visa and when I said long holiday that was the end of the matter.  No harm in presuming the worse and have your answers ready.

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Rickshaw, can I ask you about the number of days you have been outside of Thailand between your last few visits of 28 days inside Thailand?

I wonder if this is a factor. For example, somebody that stayed 28 days in Thailand and then was gone for 2 months and then came back for another 28 days might be treated differently than somebody who was in Thailand for 28 days and then just left for a few days then came back. Did immigration give you any insight on this?

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these are the figures for my non visa arrivals, departures and gaps. In addtion, I have 3 visas in my passport predating January 2013 with lots more entry stamps to go with them

 

2013 non visa arrivals

Arrived 16/9, left 19/9

outside for 21 days

Arrived 10/10, left 08/11 (full 28 days)

 

2014

Arrived 13/1, left 22/1

outside for 4 days

Arrived 26/1, left 24/2  (full 28 days)

outside for 18 days

Arrived 13/3, left 10/4  (full 28 days)

 

Arrived 14/6, left 20/6

 

Arrived 4/9, left 5/9 with no hassle at the airport (and there was nothing to indicate whether I was staying one day or 28)

 

arrived 14/10 and got hassle at the airport

 

I really don't think that the amount of time between arrivals had anything to do with it - it was the sheer number of entry stamps in my passport that triggered their concern. Or it was a bad person to pick at immigration or maybe, as a "friend" pointed out, maybe they just don't like me! But I could be wrong in any or all of these assumptions.

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Once upon a time one was only allowed to be in Thailand on 30 day entry permits for, I think, 180 days a year. You don't appear to be pushing that boundry, if it still exists, so I guess they are getting serious about visas. Not so good for someone like you that often comes and goes (no pun intended).

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that's the problem...they change their mind and regs SO often one never knows. They backed off the 180 thing a couple years ago but NOW it's TOO MANY in/outs in a time period. I mean it's usually pretty obvious. You are MOSTLY in Thailand and leave for a short time just to come back for another month. A few of those and it starts to look like you're not a tourist. A tourist would usually get a Tourist visa good for 2 months with one month extension. And maybe get another one on a trip out of the country. I'm sure plenty of ppl come into Bkk, spend the month then trip around SE Asia, maybe Laos, to Cambodia, maybe even VN. You come back in a few weeks or so with such stamps in yer visa it'll look like tourist. I suspect they might check to see when your flight OUT is too. If it's six months later, yer prolly on shakey ground. 

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I had lunch with a friend today who is here on a Education visa and he said that no ED visas are being renewed. When he came back in September, they hauled him off into an office and proceeded to conduct the rest of the interview in Thai just to check that he was actually able to converse i.e. that he was attending the school.

 

And he told a story that they are also targetting single men and asking them if they have any child porn on them. I am not sure how much to believe him on that one, but single guys beware in case it is true.

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when i flew in to BKK from MNL in august, i was questioned extensively by the immigration officer. as i am not the hulking menace of a man that my motorbike-kicking friend rickshaw is :sword: ,  he saw no need to call in the army, but there was a period of about 5 minutes when i thought he was telling me i couldn't enter the country. :help:

 

from what i surmised once he grudgingly allowed me to pass:

there are "new rules" that are being instituted by the junta but not yet "written down" for me to see; there are new limits on the number of times per year one is allowed to enter--regardless of how long one has been gone between visits--but he never gave me a number (once? thrice? never?); he warned me that i would never again be allowed to extend my stay (as i had done on my previous visit w/a trip to jomtien to stretch the 30 days to 37) and i assured him i had no intention of attempting to do so; and he seemed to imply they no longer want 'frequent visitors', regardless of intent--period--and gave me the distinct impression if i never returned he would be in no way dismayed--in response to which i, of course, smiled and wai'd.

 

bottom line, i agree with previous posters--be cautious. if you're visiting twice within a twelve-month period (or if your passport has more than a handful of the Kingdom's entry stamps) best get your long-term visa before you arrive and do not count on being granted extensions or any other assistance with regard to prolonging your visits once you have entered. 

 

but--i did get the feeling that this was a work-in-progress by the new government and the immigration officers enforcing these new rules are not quite sure what they are supposed to allow or forbid, so maybe it's just a matter of time before the new "policy" becomes clear.

 

or not.

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indeed.. i came in few days ago and they went right through my Passport. I come around 4 times a year but only for a week or so each time and never had this wait before.. usually they stamp it and done , not this time...he checked every stamp

 

i thought he was going to pull me up as he was perplexed by something but let me go in the end

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What they're primarily concerned about is stopping or refusing entry to people who they believe may be working illegally in Thailand. Assuming you're not, perhaps take a few recent payslips and headed paper with your company address on which is outside Thailand, or a business card with your pay stubs.

 

It can't hurt to carry a few papers with you to ensure you gain entry after all the effort and saving you've put into getting there. It just provides evidence that your source of income is outside of the Kingdom, which is what it's all about.

 

These checks are not just for western farang, they're for everyone entering Thailand, including potential migrant workers from neighbouring countries.

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I'm starting to think the visa abusers clampdown campaign is mostly propaganda. A friend's lbgf who's originally from Laos just got back from yet another same day visa run to the Cambodian border and she, like many others I know, had no trouble getting back into the country. It should be pretty obvious to anyone that a twenty years old Laos national with a passport full of back to back land crossing visa stamps is not here on vacation. Another twenty something Laos lb I know just got back from visiting mama and she's here on a multiple year ed visa. I don't think these are cases of incompetence or local noncompliance. It pretty much tells me nothing has changed on the visa run front, which I'm happy with. Does anyone actually know (first hand) of a non-overstaying falang flying in, with any type of visa, who got turned away? Maybe the authorities decided the timing wasn't right or that the entire thing isn't going to work, or maybe there are some other forces at play here but at the end of the day I don't think it's something we have to worry about too much.

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so what are the " new Immigration regulations " . Are these for long termers and what about guys like me that just come for a week 4 times a year

 

Its getting confusing

 

what is the definitive advice site I am assuing all the rules are online somewhere otherwise it a joke

 

Who knows 100% what the actual state of play as of today is

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what is the definitive advice site I am assuing all the rules are online somewhere otherwise it a joke

 

Who knows 100% what the actual state of play as of today is

The rules are not online. 

 

Or at least I haven't seen any TC.

 

I don't think they want rules without flexibilty.  They want Immigration officers to exercise discretion.

 

I am pretty sure you'll be OK though.

 

You are only here for a week at a time; which fits the description of tourist.

 

But your concerns might deter some tourists.

 

But when going through Immigration it's probably best not to wear your "I'm just here for ladyboy cock"  singlet.

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Does anyone actually know (first hand) of a non-overstaying falang flying in, with any type of visa, who got turned away?

 

And that, I think is the lesson I have learnt. Any type of visa as opposed to visa on entry.I am not going to risk it again and from now on will always come in on a tourist visa.

 

In a similiar vein, a friend of mine told me to look at all the building projects in Pattaya to see how many look busy. Apparently, a lot of the illegal Cambodians who actually do the work on these sites have been shipped home leaving many projects working with a skeleton workforce or not working at all.

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I did a visa run this morning by car to Phsar Prum at the Cambodian border along with 2 others, a German guy and a woman from Laos we picked up in Rayong, and all went swimmingly.   I have a double entry Tourist Visa, and I extended it by 30 days a few weeks ago in Jomtien.  I still had 11 days left on it but as I don't need a full 60 more days I had the comfort of choosing what day to go and still have days left over when i finally leave.

 

There was no problems just departing Thailand, giving the driver my passport to sort out the Cambodian part while I hung around and 15 minutes later he hands me it back and I just went up to the Thai arrivals booth and got stamped back in for 60 more days, no questions asked.  Not sure if it was relevant, but there are 5 arrivals booths and all were empty but the driver said go to number 5, so maybe he had some arrangement, after all this is his business.

 

For those interested I spotted about 7 or 8 LBs doing the run, 3 of the Filipinas from Pattaya and some others probably from Laos and possibly known to some here, but maybe unrecognisable without their war paint.  Also there were very few western faces doing runs this time, unlike previous years.

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There are numerous reports that things have tightened up in the last 48 hours at Thai-Cambo border crossings.

 

Some are saying that they're not issuing 30 day (15 day from some countries) visa exempt stamps.

 

It seems this is not so much to stop the farang who does lots of border runs but rather a a consequence of the Bangkok bombing.

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Update: This article was updated at 11.25 am on Sept 14, 2015: Thailand Immigration Bureau advises that visa exempt entry into Thailand has recommenced at all previously affected border crossings. People from eligible countries will be provided with 15- or 30-day visa exempt entries (depending on eligibility) enabling a maximum stay of no more than 90-days in one calendar year. Any time spent in Thailand on a tourist visa will not count towards the 90-day limit.

 

People with multiple entry visas can also once again exit and reenter (out-in/ exit-entrance) Thailand to activate the second or subsequent allowable entries. No explanation was provided for the disruption over the weekend.

 

At the time of writing AEC News Today has been unable to independently verify if the situation has returned to normal at all previously affected Thailand-Cambodia border crossings or the Phu Nam Ron/ Htee Khee border crossing at Kanchanaburi crossing into Myanmar.

 

See here for the list of nationalities permitted visa exempt entry to Thailand and visa on arrival in Thailand

 

 

http://aecnewstoday.com/2015/bomber-blame-game-sees-thailand-immigration-abruptly-change-visa-rules/#axzz3lhtDoEYE

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At main airport  make sure you know your mobile phone number as they may ask for it . One old guy reported in the paper was detained for 20 minutes as he had a phone and he could not remember the number, he had to get his wife to find it before he got through customs ... like me , i have no idea of my number or how to get it out of the phone ( my UK phone that is)

 

Last week a guy who comes here 4 times a year and stays never longer than 30 days was  told not to come back unless he had a retirement VISA... they say he has been coming and going to often... this guy is rich and pays 200,000 b a month on some property according to the BKK Post

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Well before the coup, rules were introduced .....  to restrict farangs from using the 30-day stamp on arrival method (max of 3 entries I think). Those rules were documented, to discourage 'visa-run' LOS residents.  So I was always careful to track my days (just in case).

 

Last year I had a 3 entry Tourist Visa, this year I've got an O non-immigrant multi-entry (which looks like a good move, given the tightening up). Therefore no questions at my recent LOS arrival.  

 

But I did experience zealous questioning at Heathrow check-in. They wanted confirmation of my exit flight from LOS, and wanted to make sure (and see) documents I needed to show Thai Immigration. I just put it down to over-eager airline staff, but I'm wondering if this is more than a coincidence.

 

Another thing to watch is this.  I was told last year by Thai Airways staff in Sydney that I couldn't board my flight to Thailand .... because I didn't have 2 blank PAGES in my passport. There was plenty of room over several pages for the entry/exit stamps, but this wasnt enough apparently. After I offered to fly at my own risk (of being refused entry), the Thai staff smiled with relief .... and got me to sign an indemnity form!!  My entry into LOS didn't raise a query, but if they are tightening up, it is a rule you might need to be aware of (clearly I wasn't, but got a new passport on my return to UK)

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Another thing to watch is this.  I was told last year by Thai Airways staff in Sydney that I couldn't board my flight to Thailand .... because I didn't have 2 blank PAGES in my passport. There was plenty of room over several pages for the entry/exit stamps, but this wasnt enough apparently. After I offered to fly at my own risk (of being refused entry), the Thai staff smiled with relief .... and got me to sign an indemnity form!!  My entry into LOS didn't raise a query, but if they are tightening up, it is a rule you might need to be aware of (clearly I wasn't, but got a new passport on my return to UK)

Presumably TT, the current passport is of the thicker variety with more pages, hey what

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