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walking around soi 4 to asoke i gain few friends around that area its so surprising i meet 3 filipinas in soi 4 who also work in the streets for many months already.........hanging out with them i meet few thai freelancers i thought they were scary and bitchy bunch but they seem to be very friendly and welcoming..........i notice most freelancers get their customers when NEP bars are going to close like 2am and further when everyone is drunk and about to go to their hotel rooms.....usually freelancers stay in the hotels for months located in this small alleys right across rajah mansion...also its were my filipina friends usually stand the whole night.....i often go there everynight cause i get so bored in khao san sometimes and got tired of dealing with unexperienced backpackers........also i enjoy looking people coming in and out bringing girls or ladyboys in the short time rooms

was wondering how much do you usually pay for freelancers in short time???? and how much price they usually quote???when you ask HOW MUCH???.........do you trust this street walkers????? do you go out with freelancers or you prefer girls in the bars?????

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Good questions and welcome to the Forum Steel Vagina! :biggrin:

I live with my ladyboy girlfriend so don't partake of streetwalkers. I'm under the impression that 1000 baht is the going short time rate for Bangkok streetwalkers but other guys here know better than me. But I think there is a wide range of prices.

Some ladyboys are real "up to youers" figuring that maybe they can turn this shortime into a week. Others are more concerned about what they get that night. Some know that if a customer declines they can easily get another customer. Others are not skilled at closing the deal.

There will be a greater degree of safety from a bargirl as the customer knows where to find her if there's a problem.

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B1000 is too much to pay a freelancer in my opinion, that price range belongs to quality bar girls.

I wouldn't entertain a freelancer for anything over B500, sometimes less, it depends. If she thinks she's worth B1000 then what is she doing whoring on the street? (rhetorical), as that's essentially what the bulk of freelancers do whether they believe they're different or not.

The thing is, I believe many people's idea of what a freelancer actually is can differ from others. To me it's usually either at one extreme or the other... At the low-end they've either failed at working in a bar, been kicked-out of a bar, or cannot get a job in a bar for some reason. Or at the other end of the scale they believe they are above the bar environment and by choice choose to freelance, as they somehow believe they're superior to that scene and worthy of charging more.

The amount of time I spend between Thailand and Cambodia means I can be fussy and very easily dissuaded from taking any girl, freelancer or not, and can and will walk away without a second thought if she over-prices herself or there is something I don't like or seems fishy.

Guys zooming in for short stays have a full wallet and a full sack and want them dealt with pronto. So the range to which they find girls appealing is far broader making them more likely to indulge in any piece of skirt at any price. That's why girls always ask "how long you been Thailand?" or "where you stay" acting as both a conversation starter but more to weigh-up your ability to be fleeced, they're not stoopid.

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Jelena,

I think you'll find that in Bangkok, freelancers can usually expect to get anywhere between 500 baht to 2000 baht for short time, depending on how experienced and/or how drunk the potential customer is.

Bangkok girls working in bars usually expect between 1000 and 1500 baht for short time. Some ask for more, and get it; others ask for more, but get less.

Just be careful in that area; I understand there are some eastern European criminal gangs that bring girls in from Russia and other Slavic countries under false pretenses and then keep them in near slavery working off their debts. Maybe this is just an overblown media rumor, but steer clear of any Slavic pimps or mamasans that try to entice you to work for them.

Good luck to ou.

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to be honest ive been in that area for 2 months but not as often as everyday infact i know one ladyboy freelancer there shes like the boss of all this freelancer shes still young but powerful and many freelancers already know me even the people around that area.....well i dont go out with eastern european (well except if hes goodlooking one ) aside from they bargain you to the extreme they demand more service the worst part is if they dont like it they really want to ask their money back.... i really really hate that stupid question most eastern european indian and arab guys ask LADY???LADYBOY????? its so annoying and theyre really annoying

to be honest ive seen many street walkers really does pass and very stunning talking about goddess well i ask them why they dont work in the bars......most of them said that they prefer to have all the money on their own rather than giving the fractions of their earnings to mamasan or any people connected with them in the bars.........although its true some of them dont pass working in bar or probably kicked out in the club they use to work cause of trouble.......well i can see the thai ladyboys are sweet looking but never ever mess with them they can be very petite and tiny but this girls surely knows how to kick ass

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Any conversation about rates & "how much should I pay?" type questions must take into account the appearance of the customer.

I guarantee you Justin Beiber will pay less than Gerard Depardieu. The girls discriminate all the time against old guys, pompui guys, ugly fellas, dark skin (not all but some of them), disabled customers, it goes on & on.

But anyone can have any of them if they are prepared to pay the adjusted price. I mentioned in my post about the Grace Hotel how the girls hated Arab clients because they didn't wash but the Saudis still took the best looking girls because they just kept increasing their offer till the girl accepted it.

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Wow, I thought for sure this question would bring a troll or two out of the woodwork, or at least have started an argument by now. But that's what I love about this forum; it hasn't. :drinks:

Hope you got some worthy data, SV. Rates vary, but I think generally the above quotes are in the ballpark, in my experience/humble opinion. As per bar girls vs. freelancers, I think most would agree that if you have a problem with a girl -- i.e. she cleans out your wallet/lifts your phone while you're in the shower or some such, then the customer at least has some redress/course of action: he can go back to the bar/mamasan and make a complaint. This may or may not help, but at least it's an option. With a freelancer, there is no such option; you're on your own.

In the past I've always spent a lot of time sussing out a freelancer on the rare occasions I've taken one home, and so far, haven't had any problems. *knocks on wood.* In fact I've met some great girls. But as I say, I almost always go with bargirls.

But times are changing. Many girls are turning to the Internet as freelancers, and you can at least get some idea what someone is like before you meet. Of course appearances can be deceiving and anyone can be anything on the Internet, but take yourself for example. I already know more about you from your posts and profile (ostensibly) than had we just met on the street and had a drink.

So I think currently freelancing may be more of an option for girls than it has in the past, and those that can command a better rate will find it easier to do so as freelancers.

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Guys zooming in for short stays have a full wallet and a full sack and want them dealt with pronto. So the range to which they find girls appealing is far broader making them more likely to indulge in any piece of skirt at any price.

If ever proof was required ...

When i am in BKK i pay the street angels 1500 Bath for there service and a tip if there service was oke.

Good grief! :blink:

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@Dixon Cox

First of all your view of a freelancer is completly different then mine , so each to his own....

But your first opservation that i am one of the guy`s that want to dealt with them pronto and the range which the girls are appealing and will indulge in any piece of skirt is not correct , even if it`s dark i do look for the top notch if i can find one and i do take my time and go out to have dinner with my babe`s or go to a club before we hit the deck.....

And abouth the price , if you like to pay the girls 500 bath is your choice your money.

But i have come out of my hotel comfort zone and visit the girls at home and i know how they live and i know there daily expenses , been there done that....

Just to show you what type of Freelancers i go with , and i am also picky and dont choose the first lose skirt i see walking around , picture of porn star Cynthia one of the many freelance babe i pickup there in BKK

Greetz , Stealth

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Most threads asking how much to pay for this or that almost always end up in disputes...

My position has and always will be, it's my money...I earned it...I will spend it as I see fit...Please don't tell me how to spend it...And y'all do the same...

If someone is happy spending 500 bht for a street ladyboy...That's fine...If others want to spend 1500 bht...That's fine...

If some folks are happy spending $600 for a mobile telephone...That's their business...If others only want to spend $20 for a mobile phone...That's their business...

I think it is patently unfair to be critical of how someone else spends their cash that they earned...No matter what the product...

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Most threads asking how much to pay for this or that almost always end up in disputes...

My position has and always will be, it's my money...I earned it...I will spend it as I see fit...Please don't tell me how to spend it...And y'all do the same...

If someone is happy spending 500 bht for a street ladyboy...That's fine...If others want to spend 1500 bht...That's fine...

If some folks are happy spending $600 for a mobile telephone...That's their business...If others only want to spend $20 for a mobile phone...That's their business...

I think it is patently unfair to be critical of how someone else spends their cash that they earned...No matter what the product...

I couldn't agree more. I've been in these disputes in the past, and it's just stupid. I think the long time/ex-pat guys are afraid the one-week millionaires are going to inflate the prices for everyone; meanwhile the one-week millionaires are afraid that the girls will be so underpaid that they will end up starving.

the reality is there's room for all of us to coexist without one philosophy impinging upon the other.

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That's their business...

Yes I agree, it is. But once it's posted on a forum it then becomes a topic for debate, does it not?

~ I see a discussion, not a dispute.

With regard to full-filling sexual desire, as opposed to wanting the latest gadget, time and availability are the determining factors. Like most things in life that you want your desire diminishes with over-exposure, commonly referred to among our fraternity as being "jaded". I probably became jaded some years ago.

For those guys who's exposure levels are lower, i.e. the short-term holiday maker (sex tourist) the need to fulfill those desires which they've been deprived of since their last visit is far greater than that of the long-term stayer. Therefor what either is willing to pay will differ, in this case by some considerable margin.

As with all things, especially in Thailand, it is up to you. But the observation about short-term visitors and what they're prepared to pay versus what long-stayers are prepared to pay is blatantly obvious and the proof was posted and quoted, but perhaps quoted unnecessarily in retrospect.

In my experience 1000 ST in the Nana area. More like 500 Pattaya. To me everything is a bit more expensive in BKK.

That's another reason my stays in the Big Mango are usually short, if at all.

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Yes I agree, it is. But once it's posted on a forum it then becomes a topic for debate, does it not?

With all due respect DC in my mind, it should never ever become a topic for debate...Simply because what you pay a Thai streetwalker and what Stealth pays a Thai streetwalker is always the exact correct amount to pay the Thai streetwalker... There is no wrong amount to pay...

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With all due respect DC in my mind, it should never ever become a topic for debate.

Perhaps it was my poor choice of terms.

~ Let's use the word "discussion", as debate can sound rather formal.

May I ask, with regard to "... it should never ever become a topic for debate".

If you were a moderator would you limit each poster to one post only stating their amount to pay, or would you have deleted this thread altogether, if such a taboo subject?

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actually theres no wrong or right about how much you pay.......either a bargirl or a streetwalker....or even a so called high end escort service (as many claims)......regardless of the amount it may be 500 bhat or even 10000bhat for short time in 5star hotel(yes it happen most in website calls) but of course you get what you pay talking to every working girls may she be in the bar or in the streets....... as they say they have the right to turn down some customer unless theyre in the mode desperation...specially in low season but then as they say you can demand all what you want but still depends on the money......many told me if someone pay 500 then its only 500 worth of service one girl told me nahh no cum no fuck only blowjob he only pay me 1000bhat......which is different from escort cause as they claim its the time that most customers pay.....so everything must be done in one hour or else you payed additional but then no one follows that kind of protocol nowadays......and OMG i been with many guys who offer me to take drugs as part of fetish play in a huge amount no way i turn it down.......i just say i watch but once he get high off to the ATM machine heheeheh withdraw all your money :P

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Usually i am very choosey picking up the lady i will be,she has to be a great kisser,and beautifull,and usually the price i will pay is between the 1000 baht and 2000 baht.Never in short rooms,but in my hotel,if the lady i like is what i thought she can be,then i will be with her more days,and i will have to take care of her because i know that she needs the money.

Its very easy for me to realise after 5 min with a lady that she is the right one for me.

Many times i was wrong and ask the lady to go ,but i always give then some money for their time to come to the 6th floor i stay and after 5 minutes with them i had to tell them that they have to go.

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actually theres no wrong or right about how much you pay.......either a bargirl or a streetwalker....or even a so called high end escort service (as many claims)......regardless of the amount it may be 500 bhat or even 10000bhat for short time in 5star hotel(yes it happen most in website calls) but of course you get what you pay talking to every working girls may she be in the bar or in the streets....... as they say they have the right to turn down some customer unless theyre in the mode desperation...specially in low season but then as they say you can demand all what you want but still depends on the money......many told me if someone pay 500 then its only 500 worth of service one girl told me nahh no cum no fuck only blowjob he only pay me 1000bhat......which is different from escort cause as they claim its the time that most customers pay.....so everything must be done in one hour or else you payed additional but then no one follows that kind of protocol nowadays......and OMG i been with many guys who offer me to take drugs as part of fetish play in a huge amount no way i turn it down.......i just say i watch but once he get high off to the ATM machine heheeheh withdraw all your money :P

I forgot to tell you one very importand frase many ladies use when they are asked to accompany a client either in his room or for dinner or as she arrives in his hotel room...How much you will give me or they ask the money in advance.That for me puts me off straight away,and i am sure many BMs here will agree with me.

For me to ask a lady up to my room its like trusting her,and for the lady to accept the invitation its like she trust me.

What i an trying to tell is that make sure before you go with someone

that you study the guy mentally ...in other words be a very good actress but dont let him know.

We all whaNT to have what we call here the GIRLFRIEND EXPERIENCE,EVEN WE KNOW that is only for a while.

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@Dixon Cox

Me been also a member of the Moderator Team dont see no reason for this Thread to be deleted....

In my view forums do need to have disscusion topics that is only a healthy development for every forum and i am glad that @Steel Vagina did open a few and i do incourage other to do the same....

It`s nice to read and hear other BM opinion and there view on things , this is a unique chance and way for you to see the other side of the medal and learn how other do it...

It must never be the case where posting must sound , My way is the only way and the rest must play it my way.....

That is what a openminded forums is also all abouth with a openminded BM from all part of the world , making it a one big happy familie

Greetz , Stealth

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Streetwalking in Soi 4 is not as attractive as it was - police clampdowns seem to be a daily happening now. Its not really that much of an issue for the girl, but 500-1000b fine everytime will start wearing people down especially if its happening on a daily basis. For Filipino's the bigger risk is deportation - again i am sure this will rear its head at some point as well.

But for the Filipino community who think they can muscle in will get a rude awakening at some point - Thai's don't like losing territory they view as their own.

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