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Yes I'm glad to report it is true. She has been accepted by Australia, and is now living near Sydney. https://www.says.com/my/news/nur-sajat-has-been-granted-asylum-in-australia

Great news indeed Q G, I am really happy for Her, I liked the way She thanked Thailand too.

If your coffee is more important than your food then check out Q+Qii across from Cafe Pitini, on Buakhao just north of Treetown. Instead of dishwater you get a proper latte or capuchino. The food is probably below average but at 79 baht a pretty good deal as in many places the capuchino alone would be approaching 79 baht. Comes with bacon, eggs, little wieners, tomato, toast, butter, jam, and choice of premium coffee type. Serves at least until 6PM. The pic below was taken a few days ago of q+qii from Pitini.

Yes, sorry. Mahler is a classical music composer. Metallica is a rock group from the 90's. For any of you guys interested in Mahler. Just the best piece of classical music. Mahler's 5th Symphony Adagietto. Written for his wife before she pissed off with another guy!.

Your opinion is fine. I dont care whether someone criticizes my language. Go for it. I just know what is pleasant or unpleasant to my hearing. This world has gone so pc that everybody is afraid to express an opinion. None of us have any control over the language we speak and brought up with, as I have stated . It doesnt mean to say that they are pleasant to listen to. No more than say Mahler v Metallica.

I would agree with French being a beautiful language. Some others are diabolical. Some for whom English is not their primary language may say that English is a bad sounding one. I think it depends on what appeals to your senses. For me, the gutural ones such as Dutch or German etc., sound off. The worst being Finnish which seems to be a mix of Russian and a few others. I guess we have no choice, it depends on where we are born. A bit like religion I suppose, although at least you can back out of that when you get older and wiser.

If you don't want to listen to Chuck then skip to 5-30 minutes into this video to hear the Thailand Pass explained, then hear what Chuck has to say

私はフランス語を聞くと小川のせせらぎのように感じ、とても心地が良いです。 If you want it this way, that's fine. Is it correct to write "Jean Reno" as "Juan Moreno y Herrera Jimenez" in French ? Ididn't know this point. This Spanish name is his real name according to Wikipedia. You can also call him Godefroy de Montmirail .

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Yes, the Adagietto starts at 45.15

No problem. I don't know the details about Mahler, but I've heard Mahler's 5th symphony. I think it's great classical music.

Good point! I think the best looking GGs usually don't work in farang bars, doesn't matter if it's Nana, Cowboy or PP. They have enough other options to make the same or even better money... The options for LBs on the other hand are more limited... Thai owned bars seem to have - on average at least - better luck finding good looking GGs than farang owned bars. Meaw, a GG from one of the Rainbow bars (Thai owned), maybe a 7/10: Benz, a GG from Geisha bar (Taiwanese owner I think), a 5/10 perhaps: But I don't find that all ladyboys in Nana Plaza, even the superstars, are all that cute... Chompoo (ex Casanova bar, farang owned) was in my books, in terms of looks, at best a 4/10 in her later years (though she still had her fans...) Superstar Nay (here in front of Cascades, worked in Obsession before the pandemic, both are Thai bars with Thai management) 10/10 I'd say: Cached (i.e. they will disappear in a few days or weeks) public images from social media

> Woodie Thanks for your comment. I think that each person's impression of each language varies greatly depending on the environment in which each person grew up. I also have a language that makes me feel uncomfortable when I hear it. So I can understand your impression of other languages. I praise languages that I find beautiful. However, I don't want to insult a language that I find unpleasant. That's because the impression of that language is my personal opinion, and the person growing up in that language is innocent. I don't think there is anyone who is pleased to be insulted by others for the language in which they grew up. I'm sorry to say something that looks great. I think your opinion is very important. But I wanted to write my thoughts.

honestly....I think the GGs are kind of weak at Nana.... 6/10s and 7/10s.... yet with the LBS there are a number of 8/10s and the occasional 9/10.

"Connie Francis" is a very nostalgic singer. I know that "Vacation" was popular in Japan, but I think it's because many Japanese singers covered it. "Connie Francis", I think few Japanese know her. I don't remember if "Wonder Girls" was popular in Japan. At that time (around 10 years ago), I think "Wonder Girls" was popular with Japanese people who were in their teens or early 20s. I got to know "Wonder Girls" and "NO BODY" when I saw Ladyboys cover this song at the Amazing show in Cebu, Philippines. Around 10 years ago, I was busy with work, and Japan was suffering from the "Great East Japan Earthquake", so maybe I just didn't know "Wonder Girls". sorry. I don't know "Jerry Lewis".

"Juan Moreno y Herrera Jimenez" is his Spanish name, and his real name. These I didn't notice at all. I've never heard of the name "Godefroy de Montmirail". I learned a lot. Thank you very much.

I like the sound of the Japanese language. I am a bit surprised that Connie Francis was popular in Japan but am also surprised that Jerry Lewis was popular in France. OTOH, it doesn't surprise me that the Wonder Girls were popular in Japan.

> The-Sith and seven Thanks for your comment. "How much for a Cleveland Steamer?" "私はアホなのでトイレで排便出来ません。私は、あなたのお腹の上に排便したいです。私はあなたの希望する料金をお支払いします。" "rusty trombone" "私は顔が醜いです。まだ私の顔よりお尻の方が清潔です。なので、私の背後から私の肛門を見ながらチンコを支えて下さい。" If you say this in Japan, you are definitely going to the police or a Mental hospital with iron bars, but if you have the courage, don't hesitate to use it. (For Japanese text, please check the content with Google Translate.) Is this satisfactory?

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Just found these posted on Facebook, caterpillars to butterflies comes to mind for the most part.

I believe she's not around atm. Her name is Fon and I know we say it about a lot of them but she really is one of the nicest girls I met in Pattaya. She probably should have named herself Fun for her great attitude and playfulness. I haven't posted for a while so I'll go ahead and do a photo dump of 10-15 pictures. These are all from a volleyball practice beach party that coach Paeng and water boy Flatpack kindly arranged in preparation for the LBWVB 2013.

Seems like an eternity since the pool party but l thought l might as well throw in a bunch of pics l took. It was an unbelievable day. Fabulous location, great music and some of Pattaya's finest in attendance. I dont know what the final tally was but l believe we went through 12 bottles of vodka and too many beers to count. It even got to the point that they ran out and gave us Grey Goose. What a bunch of high rollers! The ladies, well as usual they stole the show and rocked everyone's world. Thanks for the memories everyone. Cheers ET

A few pictures of yesterdays fun at Earth Beach Club in Jomtien

An Alternate View of Sky’s View of Ladyboys I’ve delayed posting this for some time because nearly everyone who has posted seemed to love the series; surely my contrary view was mistaken. Well, enough time has passed and I haven’t changed my mind, so here goes. I watched all six hour-long episodes and thought them professionally videotaped, but that’s about it. The approach seemed sympathetic, but it for me it was Disneyesque, lacking in depth and perspective and connection to reality. The Thai ladyboy was not placed in a worldwide, historical, and cultural context---which isn’t as dull as that makes it sound---and just saying they are women born in men’s bodies is not only simplistic, it’s wrong. And…cutting away to Scott and David and their ladyboys romping in the surf or cuddling beneath a palm tree every time you get close to revealing something uncomfortable is dishonest. I was also seriously annoyed by so much attention being paid to the beauty contests and cabaret shows. Yes, they are an interesting phenomenon---drawing more coverage by local media than the Miss Thailand competitions---but Sky kept going back and back, in episode after episode, drooling over the fact that the performers could lip-synch to Lady Gaga and then get all that money in tips posing with the customers afterward. As if that MEANT something. It does mean something, of course, but Sky was not applauding, it was condescending. That was what bothered me most---the faux happy face put on ladyboys: isn’t it wonderful that they have rich Caucasian men taking them out of the bars and buying clothes and bars for them and isn’t it nice that one got elected to public office and became “the most famous ladyboy in Thailand” and isn’t it even nicer that an airline no one ever heard of hired a few to be flight attendants (solely for the publicity)? How, exactly, did each of these things happen? Who suffered and who fucked who to make it occur? Nothing wrong with that, mind you, but Sky made it look like someone waved a magic wand. (No pun intended.) A ladyboy I’ve spent considerable time with over a period of about four years---the one who’s helped me most with the book I’m slowly working on---told me, “Every ladyboy has a sad story.” Not according to Sky. Yes, Miss Nigeria said she could be stoned to death back “home” in Africa, but she lived in the US, as did Miss Cuba, who grew up in California. Why didn’t the Sky team ask why that contestant from Chicago spent £60,000 on surgery (including the removal of four ribs!); there’s a sad story for you. Why didn’t Sky interview my friends at Cascade and Casanova? Sky’s take on ladyboys was like what Julia Roberts in PRETTY LADY was to whoring. Take her off the street, buy her a nice dress and escort her to a party and that makes everything alright, makes the whore an improved person, right? When I saw that movie, I wanted to shove Cinderella’s glass slipper up Richard Gere’s middle-aged ass. I also felt cheated when it came to Sky’s not revealing that which was foremost in every viewer’s mind: the ladyboy penis. Even the BBC some years ago in a terrific documentary about the Indian hijras had the guts to show what one of those people looked like, close-up, after having her cock crudely amputated (the only word to use; several bleed to death every year). In Sky’s six hours there was never more than a hint of cock on show: small, limp and inside a bikini, a quick glimpse that they returned to several times, as if to say, “Oh, wow! Isn’t it amazing! So gorgeous and they have cocks, too!” Oh, yeah? This isn’t radio; show me! You can watch these programs on YouTube, but a much better documentary can be seen there called GIRLFRIEND FOR SALE. It follows two young Thai women and a ladyboy into the sex trade and it tells the truth. I never cried once while watching the Sky series. I can’t say that about this one. P.S. to Sky: It’s pronounced PAH-tee-yuh. Not puh-TAI-yuh.

Sorry, but I've got to go with all the other posts Jerry... You've batted from wanting it to be 'high brow' entertainment on one hand, right the way over to also wanting to see soft porn dickkie bits, on the other!? There's never nothing as consistent as being inconsistent? Maybe you think you could have handled the thing better? Maybe there's a few of us who might like to think that we could?.. But why give it such a pounding? As you know yourself, it would have been a very clever bunch of people indeed who put that show together & I'm certain that they all would have aspired to do more with it, but it no doubt wouldn't have been within the producers remit. Considering the constraints of commercial television, I actually applaud them for what they did! Yeah, could have been better, but at the end of the day, what wouldn't?

I have to agree with Zaronxas and Flatpack.This is a sky tv programme,Sky is not noted for its in depth high brow documentaries,but is designed to achieve ratings.Sky is owned by the same guy who owns the Sun newspaper,its tabloid tv,catering to the mass market. Saying that,it did a great job introducing Ladyboys to the general public,especially in the UK,where the only contact most people ever have with TS ,is the drag act lip-syncing to Gloria Gaynor down the local club. Just imagine an alternative LB documentary......BBC THREE ...Melvyn Bragg or Joan Bakewell interviewing people who had undergone SRS ,and asking them "when did you first realise you were actually a woman in a man's body?"....interviews with psychologists and psychiatrists explaining the difference in male and female brain chemistry....Maybe interview a few big hitting TS porn stars like Yasmin Lee etc......That would have been as close as they came to putting a human face to the Ladyboy story-there would have been no Scott and Paeng,Annie &David story....that would have been deemed populist and trivial.I know which docu I would prefer to watch...and I love BBC3 !-555. Over 1 million viewers,and the vast majority greatly enlightened after watching the Sky program...pretty good result IMO.

Jerry you have some good views but Zaronxas is right, it was made for the public who mainly have no idea what a Thai ladyboy really is or how some of them live their lives. Sky like any TV company are after viewing figures, if they had gone too deep on the first documentary the average person would have switched off. When Sky commissioned the series they said if they got half a million viewing figures it would be a great sucess, they achieved over a million with every episode, it was getting more viewers than Sky One during the hour the show was on, I think that tells the story of what the British public want to see. They also wanted to keep it clean, they said nudity was not what they were after, they also cut swearing out, this was under the orders of Sky, and to be honest why is there a need to see a cock, we all know its there do we really have to see it to confirm it. If I see a war veteran on TV I dont need to see the scars to believe that his legs were blown off. Can you also imagine how hard it would be for the film crew to go to the likes of Tiffanys and say 'lets see your cock', yes they could get a girl off the street to show them it but wheres the story, how does it tie in, or do they say heres a ladyboy and heres her cock, now back to David and his girlfriend. Most of the episodes were about showgirls or individuals and I dont think anyone would have been expecting to see Paengs or Annies cocks seeing as they are in relationships. The comment about every ladyboy has a sad story is very true but that is also relative to nearly every man and woman on this planet at some stage of their lives, its not restricted to ladyboys. I do agree that too much was shown about the showgirls, it was good to see that side but I would have preferred to hear more of the street girls stories. They are planning on season two which will go more in depth and will maybe answer some of your questions but the first series was to give people a glimpse of some ladyboys without scaring the viewers off or making them switch off due to being too deep. They had to walk before they can run and personally I think they made a good series and this is the first negative opinion I have heard from a board member, but all opinions are good and thanks for posting your views.

It's a made for tv documentary that's meant to garner ratings as well as inform. I think it reasonably accomplished both objectives. From my perspective it was good that they didn't focus too much on the raw side of the ladyboy experience as that would overly sensationalize it and reinforce the negative stereotype of ladyboys as sexworkers and ladyboy admirers as perverts. Not all, not even a majority of ladyboys in Thailand are prostitutes. Most live their lives like anyone else (serving food, selling goods in a shop or even working in construction), facing discrimination but not dwelling on it. Moreover, we have a skewed view into their world because we're outsiders so we don't understand half of what we see. And since the sample of ladyboys most people (including myself) on this board know are mostly sex workers, this gives us a warped perspective to begin with. So I wouldn't assume that my experience and perception of the ladyboy world -- which may be congruent with yours -- is representative of the broader experience of Thai ladyboys.