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I'd love to write something nice about our premier local Ladyboy Bar up here in Chiang Mai, especially as these threads are really for promoting venues... But I've always had a problem with the place & yeah, I've been guilty of some pretty anti social behaviour in there in the past, but it was all induced by 'Marina' herself who is up there with Pattaya's worst as a greedy, conniving, thieving, twister, intent upon extorting the maximum. She's always tried to rip me off & pad bills & because of that I stay away from the place unless I'm seeing a personal friend who works in there or entertaining other BM's Anyway, I've been sniffin' around with 'The Hound' up here this week & our attitudes towards the bars, their pricing, their attitudes, their silly little tricks & tactics is just about 'spot on' the same. Now, neither the Hound or myself like having the piss taken out of us & we've avoided all the Loi kroy area 120Baht per Vodka & tonic bars as they're absolutely taking the piss & we were happier drinking up the road for 60 baht most of the time. Last night, being The Hounds 'last night' he conceded & said, "What the heck, fuck it, let's entertain the prices just for tonight", so off we went to Marina's where we were constantly & forcibly pumped for lady drinks (a bit like quick sucession machine gun fire), with the girls, quietly & in confidence literally begging for a drink otherwise Marina was really going to rip into them & believe me, there sincerely was a look of fear on their faces (lady drinks not expensive, 100Baht, BTW). My personal friend actually had tears in her eyes & of her own volition she'd never ask me for a drink in a million years & it was totally demeaning & humiliating for her. At any rate, as we were passing the time, I said to the Hound to check his bill & his change... And low & behold, what happened when the bill did come, we'd been smashed 800Baht for four 'already expensive' vodka & tonics & one 100baht ladydrink... WHAT!!! luckily Marina had already fucked off with her silly little 'Euro Poof' boyfriend so we could calmly sit the cashier down & politely get her to go through the bill & point out the unfairness of Marina's methodology & then under duress she eventually & timidly knocked 200baht off, which was a lot more like it, but she was only willing to do it because The Hound & I said that we would never ever, ever walk in the place & spend our money again unless this was resolved. The cashiers name is Gate & she was an absolutely lovely girl with an arse like a peach, in spite of being a rather clumsy lump standing at about 6'1"; she told us that Marina had even done exactly the same with her boyfriend!!!.. What a fucking bitch! Marina's the one with the red hair

Some of the Guess/Anacaonda girlslast night. First in the bar, the others when they hit Famous.

"Any former members here? " Present! :) I had no interest in lb's then, but I remember the lb afficionado you're talking about and he had reported contracting AIDS; we never found out how it ended though. He was neither sober nor prudent however, as you have alluded to; his posts were entertaining but it was like watching a train wreck (like many other stories from so many guys anyway). One of the old-time members was in fact the moderator of the Yahoo Group mentioned by JaiDee ("questionable girls of Thailand") and he took occasional flak on the list for dabbling in lb's; a serious and informed amateur on all counts, that's for sure: always solid advice there. His usenet posts went back to the early 90's, pre-web. [/start grumpy old man voice] When you think of it, the quantity of info has changed, but not necessarily for the better: there is a lot of "noise" out there. [/End grumpy old man voice] D.